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New Iraqi Airborne Strike Capability Spotted
On Oct 14, 11:27*pm, wrote:
See: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...s/IRAQ101408.x.... I wonder what else it can carry besides Hellfire. Nice, finally! No hub-center cannon though All kidding aside, I wonder if a cannon could be mounted down the road? |
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New Iraqi Airborne Strike Capability Spotted
On Oct 19, 1:11*pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote: On Oct 14, 11:27*pm, wrote: See: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...s/IRAQ101408.x.... I wonder what else it can carry besides Hellfire. Nice, finally! No hub-center cannon though All kidding aside, I wonder if a cannon could be mounted down the road? A belly turret like the one on the OV-10D would be nice, then you could do normal strafing or just swivel it to the side and orbit the target like a mini- AC-130. I wonder what all that passenger space in the back is used for when it's flying a COIN mission? |
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New Iraqi Airborne Strike Capability Spotted
On Oct 19, 8:39*pm, wrote:
On Oct 19, 1:11*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 14, 11:27*pm, wrote: See: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...s/IRAQ101408.x... I wonder what else it can carry besides Hellfire. Nice, finally! No hub-center cannon though All kidding aside, I wonder if a cannon could be mounted down the road? A belly turret like the one on the OV-10D would be nice, then you could do normal strafing or just swivel it to the side and orbit the target like a mini- AC-130. That is a capital idea. Then one could orbit and do surveillance and be able to shoot to the side over a certain area. An Apache turret might work.... that would be pretty cool. I wonder what all that passenger space in the back is used for when it's flying a COIN mission? Hmm... multirole stuff for troops or surveillance gear? If they haev two people on board, one can guide something like a TOW or HOT missile while the other one flies. Pretty nice. |
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New Iraqi Airborne Strike Capability Spotted
On Oct 19, 8:51*pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote: On Oct 19, 8:39*pm, wrote: On Oct 19, 1:11*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 14, 11:27*pm, wrote: See: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...s/IRAQ101408.x... I wonder what else it can carry besides Hellfire. Nice, finally! No hub-center cannon though All kidding aside, I wonder if a cannon could be mounted down the road? A belly turret like the one on the OV-10D would be nice, then you could do normal strafing or just swivel it to the side and orbit the target like a mini- AC-130. That is a capital idea. Then one could orbit and do surveillance and be able to shoot to the side over a certain area. An Apache turret might work.... that would be pretty cool. I wonder what all that passenger space in the back is used for when it's flying a COIN mission? Hmm... multirole stuff for troops or surveillance gear? If they haev two people on board, one can guide something like a TOW or HOT missile while the other one flies. Pretty nice. Some Marine special ops (Recon ) guys told us they could put a platoon in there and parachute out the back. How the heck they did that, we never figured out. |
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New Iraqi Airborne Strike Capability Spotted
On Oct 20, 1:55*pm, frank wrote:
On Oct 19, 8:51*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 19, 8:39*pm, wrote: On Oct 19, 1:11*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 14, 11:27*pm, wrote: See: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...s/IRAQ101408.x... I wonder what else it can carry besides Hellfire. Nice, finally! No hub-center cannon though All kidding aside, I wonder if a cannon could be mounted down the road? A belly turret like the one on the OV-10D would be nice, then you could do normal strafing or just swivel it to the side and orbit the target like a mini- AC-130. That is a capital idea. Then one could orbit and do surveillance and be able to shoot to the side over a certain area. An Apache turret might work.... that would be pretty cool. I wonder what all that passenger space in the back is used for when it's flying a COIN mission? Hmm... multirole stuff for troops or surveillance gear? If they haev two people on board, one can guide something like a TOW or HOT missile while the other one flies. Pretty nice. Some Marine special ops (Recon ) guys told us they could put a platoon in there and parachute out the back. How the heck they did that, we never figured out. Sounds like a Clown Car but a pretty low cost way to do a platoon jump if they could pull it off. Might be OK for low level runs getting in past coverage, wonder how small a radar target it is when it gets up in some altitude? Like that German guy who landed in Red Square in the 80s. |
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New Iraqi Airborne Strike Capability Spotted
On Oct 20, 4:15*pm, tankfixer wrote:
In article 26adbd0c-f7ef-4048-b9a6- , says... On Oct 19, 8:51*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 19, 8:39*pm, wrote: On Oct 19, 1:11*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 14, 11:27*pm, wrote: See: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...s/IRAQ101408.x... I wonder what else it can carry besides Hellfire. Nice, finally! No hub-center cannon though All kidding aside, I wonder if a cannon could be mounted down the road? A belly turret like the one on the OV-10D would be nice, then you could do normal strafing or just swivel it to the side and orbit the target like a mini- AC-130. That is a capital idea. Then one could orbit and do surveillance and be able to shoot to the side over a certain area. An Apache turret might work.... that would be pretty cool. I wonder what all that passenger space in the back is used for when it's flying a COIN mission? Hmm... multirole stuff for troops or surveillance gear? If they haev two people on board, one can guide something like a TOW or HOT missile while the other one flies. Pretty nice. Some Marine special ops (Recon ) guys told us they could put a platoon in there and parachute out the back. How the heck they did that, we never figured out. In the back of an OV-10 ? Very unlikely. Maybe a three man team.. I have this vision of a bunch of troops being bungeed to the back of the airplane and technically riding "outside" until time to release. Hey, if they can lift a buncha SEALs from place to place on a line under a Seahawk like sunfish on a stringer, then why not? |
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New Iraqi Airborne Strike Capability Spotted
On Oct 20, 1:01*pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote: On Oct 20, 1:55*pm, frank wrote: On Oct 19, 8:51*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 19, 8:39*pm, wrote: On Oct 19, 1:11*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 14, 11:27*pm, wrote: See: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...s/IRAQ101408.x... I wonder what else it can carry besides Hellfire. Nice, finally! No hub-center cannon though All kidding aside, I wonder if a cannon could be mounted down the road? A belly turret like the one on the OV-10D would be nice, then you could do normal strafing or just swivel it to the side and orbit the target like a mini- AC-130. That is a capital idea. Then one could orbit and do surveillance and be able to shoot to the side over a certain area. An Apache turret might work.... that would be pretty cool. I wonder what all that passenger space in the back is used for when it's flying a COIN mission? Hmm... multirole stuff for troops or surveillance gear? If they haev two people on board, one can guide something like a TOW or HOT missile while the other one flies. Pretty nice. Some Marine special ops (Recon ) guys told us they could put a platoon in there and parachute out the back. How the heck they did that, we never figured out. Sounds like a Clown Car but a pretty low cost way to do a platoon jump if they could pull it off. Might be OK for low level runs getting in past coverage, wonder how small a radar target it is when it gets up in some altitude? Like that German guy who landed in Red Square in the 80s. I keep getting an error trying to load the page. Can anyone describe what you are talking about? BB |
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New Iraqi Airborne Strike Capability Spotted
On Oct 20, 1:19*pm, BlackBeard wrote:
[SNIP] I keep getting an error trying to load the page. *Can anyone describe what you are talking about? BB This page?: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...hannel=defense |
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New Iraqi Airborne Strike Capability Spotted
On Oct 20, 4:19*pm, BlackBeard wrote:
On Oct 20, 1:01*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 20, 1:55*pm, frank wrote: On Oct 19, 8:51*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 19, 8:39*pm, wrote: On Oct 19, 1:11*pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Oct 14, 11:27*pm, wrote: See: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...s/IRAQ101408.x... I wonder what else it can carry besides Hellfire. Nice, finally! No hub-center cannon though All kidding aside, I wonder if a cannon could be mounted down the road? A belly turret like the one on the OV-10D would be nice, then you could do normal strafing or just swivel it to the side and orbit the target like a mini- AC-130. That is a capital idea. Then one could orbit and do surveillance and be able to shoot to the side over a certain area. An Apache turret might work.... that would be pretty cool. I wonder what all that passenger space in the back is used for when it's flying a COIN mission? Hmm... multirole stuff for troops or surveillance gear? If they haev two people on board, one can guide something like a TOW or HOT missile while the other one flies. Pretty nice. Some Marine special ops (Recon ) guys told us they could put a platoon in there and parachute out the back. How the heck they did that, we never figured out. Sounds like a Clown Car but a pretty low cost way to do a platoon jump if they could pull it off. Might be OK for low level runs getting in past coverage, wonder how small a radar target it is when it gets up in some altitude? Like that German guy who landed in Red Square in the 80s. I keep getting an error trying to load the page. *Can anyone describe what you are talking about? BB I had the same problem, went to AW direct. The literature says it can carry 12 passengers New Iraqi Airborne Strike Capability Spotted Oct 14, 2008 David A. Fulghum Part of the Iraq’s military future airborne strike capability appears to be flying out of a civilian airport in Fort Worth, Texas. Two Cessna Grand Caravan 208Bs, (http://www.cessna.com/caravan/grand- caravan.html) armed with a pair of AGM-114 Hellfire missiles each, have been photographed flying out of Meacham Airport earlier this month. The field officially has no military presence, but it is the home of a major ATK Integrated Systems major modification facility and the armed Cessna Caravan is one of its projects. The capability was referred to - without specificity - when U.S. Air Force Col. Michael Wobbema, former chief of staff for the Coalition Air Force Transition Team said late last year that “there will be an armed variant...that will come on line.” In fact, the order of battle for the Iraqi Air Force now includes three Caravans for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, three armed Caravans, two Hawker/ Beechcraft King Air light transports and six King Airs 350s also for ISR. Further operating out of ATK’s shops are C-130s, a deHavilland Dash-8 and a Swearingen Metro IV all heavily modified for clandestine ISR operations, according to sources with knowledge of the field’s operations. If fact, U.S. officials admit that they are helping the Iraqis build a counterinsurgency force with strike capabilities. In December the Iraqi Air Force will receive the first three armed Caravans - with laser designators for the missiles - followed by two more in early 2009, says USAF Brig. Gen. Brooks Bash, current chief of the Coalition Air Force Transition team. In addition, ATK modified the U.S. Air National Guard’s 11 RC-26B aircraft (including those for Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California) to provide night-mission support for search and rescue and law enforcement support. They carry electro-optical and infrared (EO/ IR) sensors, situational-awareness displays for the air crew, high- resolution digital imagery and video and communications data transfer links. That may have generated the local rumor that the Caravans are part of the Homeland Security Department operation detailed to protecting President Bush when he visits his Crawford, Texas, ranch. But tank-killing Hellfires wouldn’t be the weapon of choice for law enforcement. And Iraq’s air force already is flying a number of unarmed Caravans for ISR, V.I.P. transport and pilot training, and it is expecting armed Caravans by year’s end. In July, the Multi-National Security Transition Command Iraq signed over eight Cessna 172s as primary trainers and three Caravan 208s as advanced trainers to the Iraqi Defense Ministry for the air force’s training program at Kirkuk Air Base. The plan is to train 130 new pilots annually. The service’s projected size is 6,000 airmen and 133 aircraft by late 2009. The olive-drab Caravans have with no national markings, but they do carry an off-colored rectangle near the top of the vertical stabilizer where Iraq puts national flag markings on its military aircraft. The aircraft are fitted with an EO/IR surveillance sensor ball offset to the left side of the aircraft. The engine exhaust is offset to the right to avoid interference with the IR sensor. The sensor ball, targeting pods and missiles will be the same as those on the Predator unmanned aircraft. A pod on the leading edge of the right wing of the Caravan holds a weather radar. The aircraft also has missile warning sensors on the tail and nose and what appears to be chaff and flare dispensers for self-protection. Meanwhile, Iraqis are acquiring eight Hawker/Beechcraft King Air 350s (similar to the C-12) for longer-endurance, advanced ISR operations and carrying full-motion video and forward-looking IR in a sensor ball. The United States has used C-12R Horned Owl aircraft with central APY-8 Lynx radars and EO sensors have been used for roadside-bomb detection and other missions associated with the U.S. Army’s Task Force Odin to attack and capture insurgent leadership. http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...IRAQ101408.xml |
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