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A rough month for BD5J's
Looks like they've lost another BD5J. Scott Manning crashed a couple
of weeks ago in Canada. --------------- http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/s...15082837c.html Charles "Chuck" Lischer had spent more than 30 years in the air, slicing through the skies in everything from air shows to training missions for the U.S. military. He was an experienced pilot, his friends say, which is why what happened on Tuesday is such a mystery. Lischer, a 61-year-old Cameron Park resident, was killed when his small plane crashed while landing at an Ocean City, Md., airport. He had just completed a mission over the Atlantic Ocean in which his Acrojet Special BD-5J was testing the radar systems of military jets, the kind of exercise he had conducted about 300 times in the past five years, said Bob Bishop, the president of the company that contracted Lischer's plane to the government. "He was one of our most experienced pilots in that plane," said Bishop, a longtime friend of Lischer and president of Aerial Productions International of Marana, Ariz. "To have what was essentially a landing accident, we don't understand this one." The cause of the crash is being investigated by the National Transportation Safety Board, said Jim Peters, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration. Thunderstorms moved through the Ocean City area on Tuesday, and Bishop said Lischer's 20-minute test mission was cut short after other pilots reported wind bursts in the area. Lischer was making an approach into Ocean City Municipal Airport around 10:40 a.m. when his plane crashed into a wooded area 1,000 feet short of the runway, Peters said. "I turned around, looked back and I saw a plume of smoke and fire," Bishop said. Lischer had contacted the airport's tower during his approach and "everything was fine," Bishop said. He said emergency crews recovered the plane's black box, which may help to piece together what went wrong. The plane, a one-seat aircraft described by the Federal Aviation Administration as a "kit plane," weighed 500 pounds and had a wingspan of 17 feet, Bishop said. Aerial Productions International has three other Acrojet Specials in its fleet, which it has contracted to the Air Force since 2000 to simulate Chinese Seersucker cruise missiles and to test radar systems, Bishop said. The aircraft Lischer was flying was built in 1989, according to the FAA. Small enough to fit into a two-car garage, the plane resembles the one James Bond landed at a gas station in the 1983 movie "Octopussy." In another mission for the military, Lischer flew the same plane near Washington, D.C., landmarks -- including the White House -- on Thursday to test that city's radar system, Bishop said. While saying Tuesday's exercise involved military aircraft, Bishop would not elaborate, describing the mission as "confidential." That kind of intriguing work seems to fit the career of Lischer, known to his friends as Chuck. According to his Web site, Lischer logged more than 9,500 hours in over 70 different models of aircraft, including his F-260 Warrior, a "light attack and training military aircraft being flown by about 20 governments around the world." His blue model features shark teeth painted on both sides of the nose. Lischer purchased his F-260 in 1984, a few years after a civilian arms dealer tried to buy it for an African country -- that deal was declared illegal, according to Lischer's Web site -- and three years after it appeared at the Paris Air Show. Lischer, one of the founders of a storied aerobatic team called Team America, was a regular at air shows around the country, including the show at Mather Field in March and a show at Beale Air Force Base in early June. Last weekend he had taken part in a show in Rhode Island and was scheduled to fly in 10 more shows this year, according to his Web site. A licensed commercial pilot and flight instructor, Lischer received his pilot license while attending San Diego State University. In 1974 he was cleared by the FAA for "unlimited aerobatic competency for any altitude and any airplane," his Web site states. "He was a world-class air show pilot," Bishop said. "We know we are in a very dangerous business, but this was more than a surprise." |
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A rough month for BD5J's
How many experimental planes have a black box? I wonder if there are
any available on ebay... Scott Richard Riley wrote: He said emergency crews recovered the plane's black box, which may help to piece together what went wrong. |
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A rough month for BD5J's
Not eBay. Try http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com
"Scott" wrote in message ... How many experimental planes have a black box? I wonder if there are any available on ebay... Scott Richard Riley wrote: He said emergency crews recovered the plane's black box, which may help to piece together what went wrong. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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A rough month for BD5J's
"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message ... Not eBay. Try http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com So, where does it say anything about a flight recorder? If id does some attitude and systems recording, that would be one step, but it would need to include a recorder for control positions, and also cockpit and radio voice recorders. -- Jim in NC |
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A rough month for BD5J's
"Morgans" wrote So, where does it say anything about a flight recorder? If id does some attitude and systems recording, that would be one step, but it would need to include a recorder for control positions, and also cockpit and radio voice recorders. -- Jim in NC Oh, and have the recorder separate from the instruments, remote, in a safe place (like the tail) and in a G and fire hardened case, painted orange. Course, u know, but some might not know that black boxes are not black! g -- Jim in NC |
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A rough month for BD5J's
Bob never told the media there was a "black box" or flight recorder. He said
the Chelton computer was recovered from the aircraft, and my understanding is it stores a fair bit of information about a lot of things, quite a few engine parameters, info from the AHRS, etc. There's no "hardened" place anywhere on a BD-5 to hide anything. Too small. Radio was monitored and recorded by the military. No CVR on these aircraft -- most people flying alone don't talk to themselves. As usual the general media morphs statements into unrecognizable blobs of crap. Same thing happened when I talked to the Canadian media following Scott Manning's accident. They were pretty good about accuracy but they got some of the details wrong, and they made the mistake of asking a couple of armchair BD-5 "experts" at the airport in Ottawa for comments. "Morgans" wrote in message ... "Juan Jimenez" wrote in message ... Not eBay. Try http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com So, where does it say anything about a flight recorder? If id does some attitude and systems recording, that would be one step, but it would need to include a recorder for control positions, and also cockpit and radio voice recorders. -- Jim in NC -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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A rough month for BD5J's
In article , Juan Jimenez says...
As usual the general media morphs statements into unrecognizable blobs of crap. Same thing happened when I talked to the Canadian media following Scott Manning's accident. They were pretty good about accuracy but they got some of the details wrong, and they made the mistake of asking a couple of armchair BD-5 "experts" at the airport in Ottawa for comments. Interesting Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret |
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A rough month for BD5J's
ChuckSlusarczyk wrote: In article , Juan Jimenez says... As usual the general media morphs statements into unrecognizable blobs of crap. Same thing happened when I talked to the Canadian media following Scott Manning's accident. They were pretty good about accuracy but they got some of the details wrong, and they made the mistake of asking a couple of armchair BD-5 "experts" at the airport in Ottawa for comments. Interesting Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret Crap. I spent extra to get a heavy duty, auto-ranging industrial irony meter, with the 4th generation titanium filter and laser readout and everything, less than a year ago. Pfft, it's toast. First time I've had to use a fire extinguisher of a piece of smoking electronics. Maybe it's still under warranty... |
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A rough month for BD5J's
reported wind bursts in the area.
Lischer was making an approach into Ocean City Municipal Airport around 10:40 a.m. when his plane crashed into a wooded area 1,000 feet short of the runway, Peters said. "I turned around, looked back and I saw a plume of smoke and fire," Bishop said. Lischer had contacted the airport's tower during his approach and "everything was fine," Bishop said. That must have been an interesting conversation, OC does not have a control tower! John (I maintain some equipment there) |
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A rough month for BD5J's
In article . com, Richard Riley
says... ChuckSlusarczyk wrote: In article , Juan Jimenez says... As usual the general media morphs statements into unrecognizable blobs of crap. Same thing happened when I talked to the Canadian media following Scott Manning's accident. They were pretty good about accuracy but they got some of the details wrong, and they made the mistake of asking a couple of armchair BD-5 "experts" at the airport in Ottawa for comments. Interesting Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret Crap. I spent extra to get a heavy duty, auto-ranging industrial irony meter, with the 4th generation titanium filter and laser readout and everything, less than a year ago. Pfft, it's toast. First time I've had to use a fire extinguisher of a piece of smoking electronics. Maybe it's still under warranty... Gee,sorry to hear that Richard,I thought those meters were pretty bullet proof. I've got the Binford model 27-D99 with the rectifier coupling decleaser.I keep the anticonscraminator on high and the mode in full sweep ranging. It had a slight murmur thru the system but it bypassed the main circuit and only fried a fuse during the episode in question. I sure hope you used the proper extinguisher on the fire.If not, even Scotty on the Enterprise can't fix it :-) See ya Chuck (Regional Distributer for the Binford Model 27-D99) S "what goes around comes around and sometimes hits ya in the head"...anon |
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