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Depression after Washing
"Charles Talleyrand" wrote in message
... On Jun 26, 10:45 pm, "Mike" wrote: "Charles Talleyrand" wrote in message ... My kid and I just washed the plane. Even after washing it, there are still chips of paint missing, a bit of rust, a drip-stain of fuel, and so on. The panel looks like it has been modified every once in a while since 1966. My plane is relatively nice compared to the other ones on the field, but it's still in worse cosmetic condition than my car. None of these problems is a safety issue, and none of them could be fixed without spending significant time and/or money. One of the reasons we own airplanes is pride of ownership. This makes me sad. Makes me want to sell and rent. It's possible to restore old paint. You'd be surprised what you can polish out. Older planes were actually painted with very high quality paint that can be restored. Chips can be polished and filled with paint. There's not much you can do with rust spots other than remove it and have the paint matched, but it should at least be tended to before it gets worse. You can either have all that done professionally or you can do it yourself. The following web site would be a great place to start: It's not old paint. The paint is probably only six years old. My car is also six years old, but I know I can replace my car when ever I get sick of it. Planes are not so easy to exchange, and I would just get another old plane anyway. At least this one has very few non-cosmetic squawks (dang nose wheel shimmy). If the paint is only 6 years old, it probably used a clear coat system. It can still be restored as it probably isn't old enough to have lost the clear coat finish. Oxidation is fairly easy to deal with, it just takes a bit of work. A good quality mechanical polisher and the no-how to use it can make a tremendous difference. |
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My understanding is that most commercially available airplane paints are
single stage (Imron and Jetglow), and are usually not clear coated. |
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Depression after Washing
Larry Dighera writes:
Why? They might total the airplane that you share. They might not maintain it properly. They might damage it without telling anyone. There are many possibilities. It requires that they be responsible adults, preferably business people who can afford to own 1/3 of an aircraft. Many adults aren't that responsible. Pilots get themselves killed often enough; why would they be any more cautious for someone else's sake? |
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Depression after Washing
"Viperdoc" wrote in message
... My understanding is that most commercially available airplane paints are single stage (Imron and Jetglow), and are usually not clear coated. Since he had a 150 and the paint was 6 years old, I'm assuming it's aftermarket and they used a cheaper clearcoat system especially since it's already started to fail after 6 years, but this may be a bad assumption. |
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In rec.aviation.owning Mxsmanic wrote:
Larry Dighera writes: Why? They might total the airplane that you share. They might not maintain it properly. They might damage it without telling anyone. There are many possibilities. About the only impossibility is that you would ever get a clue. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:32:53 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote in : Larry Dighera writes: Why? They might total the airplane that you share. That's always a possibility, and one of the many reasons that liability and hull insurance is mandatory. They might not maintain it properly. While that may happen inadvertently, because they have a financial interest in the airplane, it's not likely to be done deliberately. There is only a limited amount of maintenance federal regulations permit pilots to perform. For all else, an FAA certificated Airframe and Powerplant mechanic must perform or directly supervise the work, and sign the aircraft log books. Also, an FAA certificated Inspector of Aircraft must annually attest to the airplane's compliance with regulations and airworthiness requirements by signing the aircraft's log books, so it's not likely anything will slip by unnoticed for too long. They might damage it without telling anyone. I presume you mean accidentally. Pilots examine the airplane before each flight, so any visible damage would be discovered promptly. The person responsible could be determined fairly easily. If the damage is not immediately visible, it will most probably be discovered at the next annual inspection. In my experience, this isn't an issue, but in any case the cost to repair the damage would be split among the pilots. There are many possibilities. Indeed. On of the most important possibilities for trouble is the liability exposure in the event of a crash. That can be addressed easily by forming a Nevada/Delaware corporation to hold title to the aircraft. It requires that they be responsible adults, preferably business people who can afford to own 1/3 of an aircraft. Many adults aren't that responsible. Of course one must exercise caution in his business affairs. Normally the all "aircraft owners" (and the insurance underwriter) must approve of each other, and any new or replacement "owners." Mistakes in judgment can be made, but the history of every pilot is somewhat documented in their log books, and by the FAA/NTSB, and their medical condition is officially checked by an FAA certificated Aviation Medical Examiner periodically, so it's not as likely as one might expect in other situations. Pilots get themselves killed often enough; why would they be any more cautious for someone else's sake? Natural Selection soon eliminates pilots who are imprudent from the ranks, so I don't see that as a significant risk, unless the pilot is inexperienced. But pilot experience is documented and one of the membership criteria, hopefully. There are all sorts of risks in life. If we didn't take some risk, we wouldn't do anything worthwhile. It all boils down to knowledge, wisdom, and judgment. It usually doesn't take long to spot unacceptable character flaws or personality defects. Should that be the case with one of the "owners," the others by him out. Simple. |
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Larry Dighera writes: Why? They might total the airplane that you share. They might not maintain it properly. They might damage it without telling anyone. There are many possibilities. It requires that they be responsible adults, preferably business people who can afford to own 1/3 of an aircraft. Many adults aren't that responsible. Pilots get themselves killed often enough; why would they be any more cautious for someone else's sake? Your assumptions are proving your ignorance and inexperience. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Larry Dighera writes: They might total the airplane that you share. They might not maintain it properly. They might damage it without telling anyone. There are many possibilities. Thanks for clearing that up for all the pilots and aircraft owners, Anthony. I'm sure without your experience it would never occur to them. -c |
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"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
: "Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Larry Dighera writes: Why? They might total the airplane that you share. They might not maintain it properly. They might damage it without telling anyone. There are many possibilities. It requires that they be responsible adults, preferably business people who can afford to own 1/3 of an aircraft. Many adults aren't that responsible. Pilots get themselves killed often enough; why would they be any more cautious for someone else's sake? Your assumptions are proving your ignorance and inexperience. Your posts are proving you're a loon. bertie |
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Depression after Washing
Charles Talleyrand wrote:
On Jun 26, 10:45 pm, "Mike" wrote: "Charles Talleyrand" wrote in message ... My kid and I just washed the plane. Even after washing it, there are still chips of paint missing, a bit of rust, a drip-stain of fuel, and so on. The panel looks like it has been modified every once in a while since 1966. My plane is relatively nice compared to the other ones on the field, but it's still in worse cosmetic condition than my car. None of these problems is a safety issue, and none of them could be fixed without spending significant time and/or money. One of the reasons we own airplanes is pride of ownership. This makes me sad. Makes me want to sell and rent. It's possible to restore old paint. You'd be surprised what you can polish out. Older planes were actually painted with very high quality paint that can be restored. Chips can be polished and filled with paint. There's not much you can do with rust spots other than remove it and have the paint matched, but it should at least be tended to before it gets worse. You can either have all that done professionally or you can do it yourself. The following web site would be a great place to start: It's not old paint. The paint is probably only six years old. My car is also six years old, but I know I can replace my car when ever I get sick of it. Planes are not so easy to exchange, and I would just get another old plane anyway. At least this one has very few non-cosmetic squawks (dang nose wheel shimmy). I could rent and save money and still fly the same amount, but then I would not have pride of ownership. I have a $20,000 Cessna 150. It flies just fine but the cosmetics just don't touch a $20,000 car. This reduces the pride of ownership and makes me more likely to sell and rent. Of course renting is a pain in the butt here (there is one plane; everyone must share it). -still sad Touch up paint works wonders, my old paint was a perfect match with Ford Engine Blue, but we repainted. I should find a "match" for the "new" paint as there are a few spots that could use a touch up. We either have to stop wearing wedding rings or deal with the fact that the paint will be chipped off the handle we use to get up on the wing. Margy (spent the day polishing the spinner!) |
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