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![]() "RomeoMike" wrote That was the PA 23-180, "Geronimo" conversion. I got my multi in one of those and later had a real engine out experience (right one) on a cross country with my family. Fortunately, we were not in the mountains. What was the approximate single engine service ceiling? (if that is the right way to say it for multis) -- Jim in NC |
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That's the correct phraseology. Loose an engine and you'll descend to the
single engine service ceiling (density altitude). The Aztec is 6000 ft. Plenty of MEA's out west that are higher than that. Jim "Morgans" wrote in message ... "RomeoMike" wrote That was the PA 23-180, "Geronimo" conversion. I got my multi in one of those and later had a real engine out experience (right one) on a cross country with my family. Fortunately, we were not in the mountains. What was the approximate single engine service ceiling? (if that is the right way to say it for multis) -- Jim in NC |
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![]() Morgans wrote: What was the approximate single engine service ceiling? (if that is the right way to say it for multis) I don't remember exactly, but something like 5000 ft. for the Geronimo comes to mind. I have a copy of a copy of the POH, so the altitude performance chart is unreadable. I aways figured I could fly on one engine in low elevation areas, but in the mountainous west, particularly on a non-standard day, forget it. |
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Takeoffs and landings in the Aztec are simply fun. If you don't care
whether or not you can see out the windscreen, just rotate at 80mph, hold 100mph, and it will climb like you say, a scalded cat. Landings can be just as steep, it will land on any spot you can see over the nose. Hold 85mph all the way down to 30ft above the deck then ad a short burst of power to arrest your decent as you level off, you can have it stopped in 500 ft easy. Jim |
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![]() Depending on what you want to do with the rating, a VFR-only twin pilot would be rather limited. Getting the instrument rating before the multi would make you more marketable, if that's your intent (and save you an extra checkride). Many Rental Agencies will not rent a Twin to a VFR Pilot The insurance company makes the rules. I rent a Seneca II that requires Instrument Rating, 500hrs total time and 75 hours ME time. You can get around the 75 hr requirement if you complete the ME Rating with their program and in their airplane, but you are limited to 1 pax until 50hrs ME time. If you can rent a Twin without the Instrument rating. Then work on your commercial written and maneuvers in a Piper Arrow or similar aircraft, at the same time intersperse some Twin Training. Take the Commercial SEL check ride one month, and the Commercial MEL within a few days. Without an Instrument Rating, your Commercial credentials will be limited. BT |
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BT wrote:
If you can rent a Twin without the Instrument rating. Then work on your commercial written and maneuvers in a Piper Arrow or similar aircraft, at the same time intersperse some Twin Training. Take the Commercial SEL check ride one month, and the Commercial MEL within a few days. Without an Instrument Rating, your Commercial credentials will be limited. Nobody was interested in renting a twin at all in my area, so I put the multi rating on the back burner until I had a need. I'd gotten my private, instrument, and then commercial license and just started building hours by hook or by crook. I eventually was in the right place at the right time and talked my way into single engine part 135. I started doing single pilot charters for them and saw the handwriting on the wall.... it was time to see about a multi rating (my company used a C-402B for multi charter; a Cherokee Six or C-210 for single engine charter). I went down to Atlanta to one of the flight schools that advertised at the time in Trade-A-Plane. I'm too lazy to go downstairs and see how many hours it took but it wasn't all that much (maybe 6 or so). We did most of the training in a multi sim, then went for a couple of flights in a Seminole. After that it was just a check ride with a designated examiner who was on staff at the flight school. I continued doing my single engine charter for the company until one day I was scheduled to fly as copilot on a C-402 trip and the pilot didn't show up (went on a bender instead). Didn't call, nothing. Just didn't show up... but I did. I ended up flying the folks in a Cherokee Six. The following week, I got checked out as PIC in the C-402. Nice airplane. I enjoyed flying it a lot. The point of all this is that getting a multi rating as the first add-on to a private license is probably going to be a waste of time and money. You'll get infinitely more utility out of an instrument rating. Then when things fall into place, you can always add the multi rating later. It just isn't that big a deal. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com |
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN writes:
We did most of the training in a multi sim, then went for a couple of flights in a Seminole. Why waste time in a sim? It has nothing to do with real flying. I know this because experts here have told me so. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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![]() Oh man, this is such a nice pitch, right down the middle, so very easy to hit out of the park. Or is it bait? Looks like bait. Smells like bait. Trolls like bait. On Jan 15, 3:39 am, Mxsmanic wrote: Mortimer Schnerd, RN writes: We did most of the training in a multi sim, then went for a couple of flights in a Seminole.Why waste time in a sim? It has nothing to do with real flying. I know this because experts here have told me so. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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![]() Mxsmanic wrote: Why waste time in a sim? It has nothing to do with real flying. I know this because experts here have told me so. Then you haven't been paying attention, my flightless friend : ) (you were right, Tony...) |
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