12 dead this weekend from GA crashes

by "Steve Foley" Feb 7, 2006 at 01:03 AM


The question still stands.

Uh, uh, uh.......... I plead the Fifth!

Actually, I think standards should be improved and proficiency better
tested. More than just the semi annuals should be required. Many pilots
agree that there are unsafe fliers. Can they ever be totally eliminated
based on regulations? No. But there can be improvement.

by kontiki Feb 7, 2006 at 01:47 AM


-- Deaths of 5 Skiers Stun Mammoth

In the span of a week, three skiing accidents, a heart attack and an
avalanche claimed
the lives of four visitors and a ski patrol veteran.

MAMMOTH LAKES — The deaths of five skiers over a recent seven-day period
on or near
Mammoth Mountain appear to have been tragic accidents but have shaken
this
hamlet of
outdoor enthusiasts.

One victim was a Los Angeles dentist and avid outdoorsman, another a
retired water
deliveryman from Garden Grove, the third a San Diego teenager and the
fourth a
marketing representative from Laguna Niguel. The fifth was an
accomplished
ski patrol
member traversing the Eastern Sierra's breathtaking backcountry.

Yeah, we lose a few every year here on the east coast too. Usually too
fast, down, and slide into a tree or rock....

I think theres a difference between a sport and a federally and state
funded transportation system.

"Skylune" wrote:

by "Steve Foley" Feb 7, 2006 at 01:03 AM


The question still stands.

Uh, uh, uh.......... I plead the Fifth!

Actually, I think standards should be improved and proficiency better
tested. More than just the semi annuals should be required.
What semi annuals? Just because lots of people call biennials
"biannuals" doesn't make them so!

--
Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

by "Jay Honeck" Feb 7, 2006 at 04:52 AM


In the span of a week, three skiing accidents, a heart attack and an
avalanche claimed the lives of four visitors and a ski patrol veteran.

Well, really, when you get right down to it, downhill skiing is one of
the

dumbest, least productive, potentially dangerous activities known to man.

In Skylune's world

No!!! Don't regulate skiing. Live, ski, or die!

But seriously, skiing, scuba diving, ultimate frisbee, should not come
under FAA jurisdiction. We already pay user fees on 100% of the services
we use. The AIP has no $$ allocated to cut trails or build lifts, and
skiers don't need to talk to ATC. There are no NTSB investigations when a
stupid skier (like that Kennedy that died on Aspen throwing a football
around) gets killed. And skiers accept a certain amount of risk, which
can be controlled. Kind of like rec. GA.

Many pilots agree that there are unsafe fliers. Can they ever be totally eliminated
based on regulations? No. But there can be improvement.

Until you get those pilots to admit that they are unsafe and take
action to correct their "problems" they will continue to die and kill
others. Personally I don't want shotgun approaches that impact me
that are designed to catch the few.

Ron Lee

Rachel wrote:

This should provide hours of reading:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/month.asp

I used to read that for hours in college when we had class in the
computer lab. I learned that I'm really not the dumbest person up there
flying.

Women usually aren't the problem. Case in point...look at the male to
female ratio in the prison population.

Ron Lee

by alexy Feb 7, 2006 at 08:34 AM


"Skylune" wrote:

by "Steve Foley" Feb 7, 2006 at 01:03 AM


The question still stands.

Uh, uh, uh.......... I plead the Fifth!

Actually, I think standards should be improved and proficiency better
tested. More than just the semi annuals should be required.
What semi annuals? Just because lots of people call biennials
"biannuals" doesn't make them so!


;-). ok. biennials. not semi-annuals. I think there should be more
than biennials....
--

Maybe external air bags on aircraft. Then they cannot crash. Cirrus
already has a parachute.

Can any vehicle really be made idiot proof?

by (Ron Lee) Feb 7, 2006 at 01:47 PM


Many pilots agree that there are unsafe fliers. Can they ever be
totally
eliminated
based on regulations? No. But there can be improvement.

Until you get those pilots to admit that they are unsafe and take
action to correct their "problems" they will continue to die and kill
others. Personally I don't want shotgun approaches that impact me
that are designed to catch the few.

Ron Lee

Isn't this what the biennials are supposed to do? What would be wrong
with making the tests more stringent and more frequent? What would be
wrong with getting the bad apples out of the sky? Wouldn't that benefit
the GA community?

What would be wrong with mandating better security at GA airports?

What would be wrong with enforcing noise abatement?

What would be wrong with charging people for the services they use?

What would be wrong with mandating better security at GA airports?

What would be wrong with enforcing noise abatement?

What would be wrong with charging people for the services they use?

Because NONE of the above is a real threat to anyone and THAT money can
be better spent elsewhere. DUMBASS!

The Monk