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The breakthrough in non-jet propulsion supposedly came in the late
'80s/early '90s with FFX (Field Effects) but there is still debate over who invented it- either the British or US. At that time there was Actually breakthrough should have come in before April 1945. The Article appeared in Eighth Army News on 28 August 1945 had following title "Nazis had 10000 mph Atom plane,in theory". (Apparently before the start of Cold War such things could appear in official US military papers). Surely Brits did some very fruitful work of their own in this subject,I could remember ground breaking research work carried out by Aviation Studies Ltd and Gravity Rand Ltd. in 50s,but American efforts were almost entirely based on German studies and scientists. US companies like Glenn-Martin ,Clark.Lear Inc,North American,Sperry-Rand all had secretive departments working on electrogravity and all of them had Germans (many of them were from Kammlers SS Advanced weapons research) But I tend to rule out the Belgian Wave sightings because Firefly II didn't fly until recently (at the time of the I would not be so sure as we know that Germans knew as early as 1945,at least in theory,properties of "Belgian Triangle?" |
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Gee, another Aurora, huh? I guess based purely upon faith you have
accept that it is flying... Where is the evidence? May be among the documents that sealed for 75 long years. |
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Germany with its large population might not be an ideal place to fly
black aircraft- even at night. So, testing a plane in South Africa might not be out of place. Actually South Africa and the seas surronding it were traditional testing ground for post WWII German advanced weapons. If you check the news of 70s and 80s,you will find several reports of unexplainable events taking place in seas off South Africa. BTW A couple of years ago in very same area an USAF transport plane collided with a German transport plane.This event was strange enough I guess. |
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Not built, not flying, non-existant. NATO research would mean US
research, and we are not giving stealth away. Yet more of your Ubermench fantasy. 1)Who needs stealth? 2)You cannot give away anything that does not belong to you. Stealth is a British and German product and stealth in US is gift of Harold Macmillan to US. |
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"Denyav" wrote in message ... Not built, not flying, non-existant. NATO research would mean US research, and we are not giving stealth away. Yet more of your Ubermench fantasy. 1)Who needs stealth? 2)You cannot give away anything that does not belong to you. Stealth is a British and German product and stealth in US is gift of Harold Macmillan to US. Which was never recipricated by the US at the time. If I remember correctly (and this was from 2 Discovery Wings programmes about the speed of sound and stealth), the Americans asked for the data from our stealth and supersonic programmes, with the promise of letting the British have information about new munitions. Needless to say we're still waiting....... |
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In message , Alan Minyard
writes Not built, not flying, non-existant. NATO research would mean US research, and we are not giving stealth away. Yet more of your Ubermench fantasy. Low-observable isn't a US monopoly, Al, and the US does more collaboration than you might think (though there are still internal firewalls; teams working with the US can't then talk to Some Other Nations or teams working with them...) -- When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite. W S Churchill Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk |
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Not built, not flying, non-existant. NATO research would mean US research, and we are not giving stealth away. Yet more of your Ubermench fantasy. Al Minyard Al, there you go again with your anti-German rhetoric. Germany didn't need US help when it comes to stealth since the Germans invented it. In WW2 they had the G0-229 and radar-absorbing paint (Shornsteinfeger). They also had anti-sonar Alberich covering for their schnorkels and Type XXI and XXIII subs. BTW, the US stole the radar defraction design of the F-117 from the Russians and the first US stealth aircraft wasn't even the F-117- it was a Windecker Eagle civilian plane covered in RAM back in the early '70s. Russia at this time already was working on the Sukhoi T-60S stealth bomber (which is still active) and by 1981 when the F-117 became operational the Germans had the MBB Lampyridae program (which would have been superior to the F-117 in design with better faceting also faster and armed). You can't tell me the Germans just bowed to US pressure and gave it up. Britain, OTOH, is said to have developed FFX propulsion and shared it with the US... not the other way around. Bae developed HALO which is an admitted stealth aircraft prototype and from eyewitness accounts of the BD crash in the '90s Bae haD at least one other stealth aircraft that was flying in the '90s (similar in appearance to the cancelled YF-22). Recently we have seen the Replica design too. Dassault, SAAB, MiG-MAPO, Sukhoi, Tupolev, and EADS all have their own stealth aircraft programs without US participation or permission. And to a lesser extent so do China, India, Pakistan, South Africa, Israel, and Japan. The US does not have a monopoly on stealth or anti-stealth. Get over it. Two German black triangular craft flew at the Overberg range in South Africa and you can't handle it. Too bad. Europe has stealth too. Too bad. Whine about it all you like. Rob |
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