Tow banner on a PP license

I have a friend that is purchasing a plane and will start a business
of tow banner. He said I could fly the plane for him without been paid
, this way I can get many hours on my logbook.

Is it legal to do banner towing on a PP license without receiving
payment for it?

Victor wrote:

I have a friend that is purchasing a plane and will start a business
of tow banner. He said I could fly the plane for him without been paid
, this way I can get many hours on my logbook.

Is it legal to do banner towing on a PP license without receiving
payment for it?

No.

George Patterson
Treason is ne'er successful, Sir; what then be the reason? Why, if treason
be successful, Sir, then none dare call it treason.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

Is it legal to do banner towing on a PP license without receiving
payment for it?

No.

"No" is correct with underlying assumptions, all of which
are likely to be true, like - the operator is charging for
the banner tows, the pilot is not paying for the plane and
fuel, etc. But he could legally tow his own banner in a
plane he rents or owns, so, in a technical sense, the
answer to his question, read carefully, is "yes, in some
very limited circumstances."

Todd Pattist
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Todd Pattist wrote
But he could legally tow his own banner in a
plane he rents or owns

Not unless he gets a waiver from the FSDO.

91.311 Towing: Other than under §91.309.
No pilot of a civil aircraft may tow anything with that aircraft
(other than
under §91.309) except in accordance with the terms of a certificate of
waiver
issued by the Administrator.

No FSDO I know of will issue a banner tow waiver to a pilot who lacks
a commercial certificate, so the point is moot.

Michael

"Michael" wrote in message
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No FSDO I know of will issue a banner tow waiver to a pilot who lacks
a commercial certificate, so the point is moot.

What criteria do they use? There's nothing in the FARs about
needing a commercial cert. Sounds like they are denying freedom
of speech. Why can't private pilots tow their own messages
around if they want to? (Playing devil's advocate here).

Tony Cox wrote:

"Michael" wrote in message
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No FSDO I know of will issue a banner tow waiver to a pilot who lacks
a commercial certificate, so the point is moot.

What criteria do they use? There's nothing in the FARs about
needing a commercial cert. Sounds like they are denying freedom
of speech. Why can't private pilots tow their own messages
around if they want to? (Playing devil's advocate here).

You are right, you actually don't need a CP cert to get the waiver. But
the FSDO would certainly be interested in having a friendly conversation at
some point during the process regarding what the waiver would be used for.
They would also be very interested to learn that the PP is planning to
engage in actvities involving a sign be towed for hire if they learned
that.

(Michael) wrote:

No FSDO I know of will issue a banner tow waiver to a pilot who lacks
a commercial certificate, so the point is moot.

There's no requirement for the banner tow pilot to have a
commercial license. Nothing in the commercial curriculum is
directed to banner towing. I agree it's the usual case that
waivers are given to CP's, but a high time private pilot
with experience towing gliders and showing banner pickup and
tow training should be able to get the waiver if they can
demonstrate they aren't going to be receiving prohibited
compensation.

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In a previous article, (Victor) said:
I have a friend that is purchasing a plane and will start a business
of tow banner. He said I could fly the plane for him without been paid
, this way I can get many hours on my logbook.

Is it legal to do banner towing on a PP license without receiving
payment for it?

"hours in my logbook" *is* payment, according to FAA prosecutions of
people doing something similar (glider towing is the case I remember most
clearly).

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
When the revolution comes, we'll need a longer wall.
-- Tom De Mulder

(Paul Tomblin) wrote in message ...
In a previous article, (Victor) said:
I have a friend that is purchasing a plane and will start a business
of tow banner. He said I could fly the plane for him without been paid
, this way I can get many hours on my logbook.

Is it legal to do banner towing on a PP license without receiving
payment for it?

"hours in my logbook" *is* payment, according to FAA prosecutions of
people doing something similar (glider towing is the case I remember most
clearly).

What if you don't log the flights?

glider towing in the US for PP is authorized per the FARs.. he can log hours
toward additional ratings.. but he can not receive monetary compensation..

FAR91.309

BT

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, (Victor) said:
I have a friend that is purchasing a plane and will start a business
of tow banner. He said I could fly the plane for him without been paid
, this way I can get many hours on my logbook.

Is it legal to do banner towing on a PP license without receiving
payment for it?

"hours in my logbook" *is* payment, according to FAA prosecutions of
people doing something similar (glider towing is the case I remember most
clearly).

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
When the revolution comes, we'll need a longer wall.
-- Tom De Mulder