Fly Boy ?????

Subject: Fly Boy ?????
From: 362436 (Ron)
Date: 10/20/03 7:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:


Lets assume that half of it is true.But I think the wirters were doing a
sales
job to engrandise the Bush name for the next election.

Art, I think you are a bit better than that. Just because you are not a
fan of
the Bushes, does not mean you should denegrate the author of the book. I
see
no reason to attack the author like that.

Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter


If you ignore the jealous old fart he will go away.



I really admire Art greatly for what he accomplished and what he went through
during the war, and especially how he had been putting his stories and photos
up for all to see and learn about.

That cheap shot at the author of the book, was a bit beneath him in my
opinion..




Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter

He was very well paid for it.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Dave Kearton" wrote in
message
"Autocollimator" wrote in message
...
Thousands flew in the air war in WW II. What the hell is the big
deal about old man Bush???





And why is his wife's picture on your one dollar bills ?

You fool, that's Chelsea Clinton.

--
http://www.delversdungeon.dragonsfoot.org
Remove the X's in my email address to respond.
"Damn you Silvey, and your endless fortunes." - Stephen Weir
I hate furries.

ArtKramr wrote:

nt (Gordon)

The place he was shot down was a cannabalistic hell - everyone that went down
over Chichi Jima died in their a/c or got murdered by their captors, with two
exceptions. One was flown to Japan for interrorgation, the other was George
Bush. He pushed out to face the sea in his raft while everyone else allowed
themselves to be captured. He alone returned, for whatever fate intended. The
book "Flyboys" is intensely interesting and gives a lot of insight into why the
other airmen were eaten by the Japanese officers, to strengthen their fighting
spirit. The depravity of the murders, often by Japanese soldiers who had
become friends with their victims, is well explained by comments by all
participants. Its horrifying as well as enlightening - and you finish the book
feeling that Bush was not saved by chance alone.

Lets assume that half of it is true.But I think the wirters were doing a sales
job to engrandise the Bush name for the next election.

Because the subject of the book is a prominent political figure, the possibility
of embellishment for political benefit is certainly there for any writing.

However, I would think you would have to read the book in order to make any such
judgment.

I haven't read it (sounds like a good book), so I can't offer my opinion, but I
get the impression you haven't either.


SMH

Grantland wrote:

"Dave Kearton" wrote:

"Autocollimator" wrote in message

And why is his wife's picture on your one dollar bills ?
pfff

It's his mother. He married his mother. She was the compatible
bearer - to spawn the Bush Jnr! Endless rows of Illuminati prote vats
and hideous failed experiments. Only the mother would suppoert the
early clones, don't you see? Don't you seeee???

What??!!! No reference to Jews??!!!

You're slipping.


SMH

Thousands flew in the air war in WW II. What the hell is the big deal about old
man Bush???

Gosh, I don't know.

Lessee. He became ambassador to China, head of the Central
Intelligence Agency, president of the United States ...

No, nothing in there would explain why anyone would be more interested
in him than in, say, Art Kramer.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

On 20 Oct 2003 23:42:29 GMT, nt (Gordon) wrote:

The
book "Flyboys" is intensely interesting and gives a lot of insight into why the
other airmen were eaten by the Japanese officers, to strengthen their fighting
spirit.

I didn't realize that Bush 41 came so close to being eaten!

I became interested in cannibalism when I was researching Col TSUJI
Masanobu, who was involved in killing an American airman on the
China-Burma border toward the end of the war, and cooking and serving
up his liver to the officers' mess. This was apparently an
indisputable act, with the airman's name known to the Japanese (but
not traced in American records, alas). I posted my notes at
www.warbirdforum.com/tsuji.htm

There was another well-known incident. The Ambon Islands? sticks in my
mind. Perhaps that was near where Bush 41 went down.

(I would think that the Bushes would be rather hard to chew on!
Nothing like as tasty as, say, a Clinton or even a Gore.)

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

Cub Driver wrote in message
...

Thousands flew in the air war in WW II. What the hell is the big deal
about old
man Bush???

Gosh, I don't know.

Lessee. He became ambassador to China, head of the Central
Intelligence Agency, president of the United States ...

No, nothing in there would explain why anyone would be more interested
in him than in, say, Art Kramer.

all the best -- Dan Ford

Seems to me this book pales in comparison to the Kennedy family
worshipping done by many in this country. Notice the book about GB 41
comes out after he's retired from politics. It seems that the last
thing GWB would want during an election is a close association with his
dad. His dad is known for 2 things, "read my lips" and leaving Saddam
in power. Wasn't GHWB the youngest Navy pilot of WWII?

--

Scott
--------
"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

Seems to me this book pales in comparison to the Kennedy family
worshipping done by many in this country. Notice the book about GB 41
comes out after he's retired from politics. It seems that the last
thing GWB would want during an election is a close association with his
dad. His dad is known for 2 things, "read my lips" and leaving Saddam
in power. Wasn't GHWB the youngest Navy pilot of WWII?

You don't understand. Hero-worshipping military men is repugnant if
done by Republicans, perfectly acceptable if done by Democrats. (Back
in 1992 I offered a pact to a local Democrat: that I would write Colin
Powell's name onto the New Hampshire presidential preference ballot if
she would do the same on her ballot. She said: "Oh! I could *never*
vote for a military man!" So ... guess who is the local chair of the
Wesley Clark campaign today?)

Bush 41 is not the albatross that many think. The media tell you that
he lost the election (a close one) because of a recession and a war
that turned out badly (in that Saddam remained in power). What they do
not tell you is that Ross Perot got 15 percent of the popular vote.
Where would those votes have gone if Perot had not been in the race?
And do you see a Perot on the horizon today?

I rather doubt Bush 41 was the youngest USN pilot of WWII, though he
was certainly just a boy. No doubt there were many young men who lied
about their ages and who became pilots.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

Subject: Fly Boy ?????
From: Stephen Harding
Date: 10/20/03 11:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Because the subject of the book is a prominent political figure, the
possibility
of embellishment for political benefit is certainly there for any writing.

Why wan't this book written ten years ago?. Or 5 years ago? Why now just before
an election?
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Fly Boy ?????
From: Cub Driver
Date: 10/21/03 2:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:


Thousands flew in the air war in WW II. What the hell is the big deal about
old
man Bush???

Gosh, I don't know.

Lessee. He became ambassador to China, head of the Central
Intelligence Agency, president of the United States ...

No, nothing in there would explain why anyone would be more interested
in him than in, say, Art Kramer.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9


Not very good at any of those jobs.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer