Crab, slips, and crossed controls

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :
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| "Jim Logajan" wrote in message
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| | Amine wrote:
| | Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
| | between the two is...) were only to be used to handle crosswinds. I
| | didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive
| | speed, although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective.
| | Anyone out there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind
| | approaches?
| |
| | Glider pilots use them on occasion for rapid descent and they are
| | expected to demonstrate proficiency in them on the practical exam.
|
| How do you maintain alignment with the tow plane?
|
|
| What's it to you, you don't fly.
|
|
| Bertie

Prove it dumb ass.

On Sep 24, 12:26*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ari wrote :



On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:14 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Stefan wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:

You're full of ****, stefan.

Still better than completely hollow like you.

Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
aerodynamically identical have different references.

Of course they have different references... visual references, that
is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look slightly
to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for
simple minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.

Yeah, right backpedaling boi.

Bertie

Bert, first time Little Luke took me up in his Velocity, he failed to
inform me that the rudder system is different from conventional
aircraft in both design and performance. In most aircraft the rudder
pedals are interconnected. Pushing down on one rudder pedal causes a
corresponding movement in the opposite (upward) direction of the
other.

LL says to me, let's slip this baby home. Taje the center stick."

Uh, like first of all, I'm not LHanded. Then I find the rudder pedals.
lol

I was quick to note that the rudder pedals in the Velocity operate
independent from each other,what I they failed to notice is that much
of the sensory feedback with respect to rudder deployment is ****faced
gone. Push one rudder pedal in the Velocity and the other remains
motionless. Cessna and Piper pilots like me learn to rest both feet on
the rudder pedals to get a feel for the rudder position.
Transferring this habit to the Velocity invites a common mistake V
the unintentional deployment of one (or both!) rudder(s) in flight.

I passed the slip back to Little Puker.

Yes, I've heard about this feature in that type of airplane. I'm going
to get a chance to fly a Long Eze pretty soon and I believe it works the
same way. You can use both together as a speed brake, yes?

Bertie

Do those fins deploy in only one direction -- ie,outward, or inward --
and are spring loaded to neutral? Is the change in the airplane's axis
pointing direction just caused by the drag increase when one side or
the other is deployed? It looks to me almost like the way the MU
aircraft used spoilers on top of the wings instead of ailerons (I
think).

a wrote in
:

On Sep 24, 12:26*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ari wrote
innews:6jv4u2F59v
:



On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:14 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Stefan wrote in
. ch:

Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:

You're full of ****, stefan.

Still better than completely hollow like you.

Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
aerodynamically identical have different references.

Of course they have different references... visual references,
that is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look
slightly to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is
enough for simple minded like you to think they are two different
maneuvres.

Yeah, right backpedaling boi.

Bertie

Bert, first time Little Luke took me up in his Velocity, he failed
to inform me that the rudder system is different from conventional
aircraft in both design and performance. In most aircraft the
rudder pedals are interconnected. Pushing down on one rudder pedal
causes a corresponding movement in the opposite (upward) direction
of the other.

LL says to me, let's slip this baby home. Taje the center stick."

Uh, like first of all, I'm not LHanded. Then I find the rudder
pedals. lol

I was quick to note that the rudder pedals in the Velocity operate
independent from each other,what I they failed to notice is that
much of the sensory feedback with respect to rudder deployment is
****faced gone. Push one rudder pedal in the Velocity and the other
remains motionless. Cessna and Piper pilots like me learn to rest
both feet on the rudder pedals to get a feel for the rudder
position. Transferring this habit to the Velocity invites a common
mistake V the unintentional deployment of one (or both!) rudder(s)
in flight.

I passed the slip back to Little Puker.

Yes, I've heard about this feature in that type of airplane. I'm
going to get a chance to fly a Long Eze pretty soon and I believe it
works the same way. You can use both together as a speed brake, yes?

Bertie

Do those fins deploy in only one direction -- ie,outward, or inward --
and are spring loaded to neutral? Is the change in the airplane's axis
pointing direction just caused by the drag increase when one side or
the other is deployed? It looks to me almost like the way the MU
aircraft used spoilers on top of the wings instead of ailerons (I
think).


Well, that's the way i understood it, but I've never flown one..


Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message
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| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
| ...
|
| Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| aerodynamically identical have different references.
|
| This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
| forever
| without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
| definition
you
| wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like this, I keep
| an
old copy
| of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found it interesting that
| Wolfgang apparently found no need to make a distinction; regardless
| if done for
glidepath
| control or landing in a crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".
|
| Go figure.
|
| Vaughn
|
|

Does the term forward slip describe a slip? Yes.

Does the term side slip describe a slip? Yes.

Do both requre the same control inputs? Yes.

What next? Will we have pattern turns, cross country turns, sight
seeing turns, high altitude turns etc.



What's this "we" ****, wannabe boi?



Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| What's it to you, you don't fly and never will.
|
|
| You just proved that with this poast.
|
|
| Bertie

Explain the difference dumb ass, you can't.





Yes, I can, but if you really want to know, look it up, wannabe boi.


Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
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| "Stefan" wrote in message
| .. .
| | Robert Moore schrieb:
| |
| | What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control
usage
| | is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a
crosswind,
| | and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
| |
| | A slip is a slip is a slip.
| |
| | I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art
| | of making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the
| | conlusion that it's to look more impressive to the female
| | students.
|
| Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie
| Buttlick.
|
|
|
| Bwawhahw!
|
| You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you?
|
|
|
| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!
|
|
| Bertie

Did you pass out on the send button again, dumb ass.






Nope.


Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:rb_Bk.17810$wr1.16736
@newsfe02.iad:
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|
| "Jim Logajan" wrote in message
| .. .
| | Amine wrote:
| | Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
| | between the two is...) were only to be used to handle
crosswinds. I
| | didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive
| | speed, although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective.
| | Anyone out there used sideslips for anything other than
crosswind
| | approaches?
| |
| | Glider pilots use them on occasion for rapid descent and they are
| | expected to demonstrate proficiency in them on the practical exam.
|
| How do you maintain alignment with the tow plane?
|
|
| What's it to you, you don't fly.
|
|
| Bertie

Prove it dumb ass.




Don't need to.

No more than I need to prove that you are a halfwit or that the sun will
rise in the east tomorrow.



Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...
"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message
...
|
| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
| ...
|
| Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| aerodynamically identical have different references.
|
| This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
| forever
| without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
| definition
you
| wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like this, I keep
| an
old copy
| of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found it interesting that
| Wolfgang apparently found no need to make a distinction; regardless
| if done for
glidepath
| control or landing in a crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".
|
| Go figure.
|
| Vaughn
|
|

Does the term forward slip describe a slip? Yes.

Does the term side slip describe a slip? Yes.

Do both requre the same control inputs? Yes.

What next? Will we have pattern turns, cross country turns, sight
seeing turns, high altitude turns etc.



What's this "we" ****, wannabe boi?

Schizophrenia apparently.

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in message
...

"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message
...
|
| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
| ...
|
| Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
aerodynamically
| identical have different references.
|
| This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on forever
| without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
definition
you
| wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like this, I keep an
old copy
| of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found it interesting that
Wolfgang
| apparently found no need to make a distinction; regardless if done for
glidepath
| control or landing in a crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".
|
| Go figure.
|
| Vaughn
|
|

Does the term forward slip describe a slip? Yes.

Does the term side slip describe a slip? Yes.

Do both requre the same control inputs? Yes.

What next? Will we have pattern turns, cross country turns, sight seeing
turns, high altitude turns etc.

Taking your moronic Okie logic the other direction, why not simply just call
everything a maneuver, which would cover taxiing, takeoffs, landings, turns,
slips, stalls, lazy eights, ascents, descents, chandelles, spins,
immelmanns, barrel rolls, and dozens of other things.

I'm just curious as to how Okies like you rise to the crème de la dumb
level. Inbreeding and fetal alcohol syndrome only can account for so much.
Are there monuments to stupidity in every town? Do you have museums
dedicated to stupidity that you regularly attend? Are there churches where
stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and civic
organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?

On Sep 25, 3:03*pm, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
*Are there churches where
stupidity is preached from the pulpit? *Are there clubs and civic
organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?

Obviously.
And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your every post