Why We Lost The Vietnam War

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Naw its pure Spivian, LOL


Isn't "spiv" itself British slang?



Its rather archaic ww2 era slang for a dealer in black market goods.

Keith

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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I am.

If you visit a large country you will see that the UK is small.

You still don't get it. It is not a matter of comparison. The UK is not
small.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Spiv" wrote in message
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The people were not cargo, they were crew.

But still people.

Wrong again. The Nene Viking carried people as cargo.

Prove it.

It was a jet airliner, that is what they do. Duh!

You will have find out the difference
between cabin crew and passenger.
There is a difference.

Ah! You're learning! There may still be hope for you.

I am confused. I am learning from myself?

You can learn a great deal from
me

I doubt I could learn very much from you.

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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Nonsense. Britain invented globalisation in the 1700s.

Dont be silly, goods were being traded around the known
world by the Phoenicians. In Iron age graves in the UK
archaeologists have found wine jars from the Med
while Cornish Tin and Welsh gold have turned up in
Rome, Etruria and North Africa.

See "Empire" by Niall Ferguson.

The UK has consistently imported produce
and products that are cheaper than the home
market. When it comes down to it, it can feed itself.

No it cant, for a very few years in the 80's and 90's by
using vast amounts of fertiliser, mono culture and with
heavy subsidies we came close but the cost was exorbitant
both in cash terms and in environmental terms

It can feed itself. Much of the UK is national park. That can be used if
needed for crop growing.

In 1939 it was not ready,still importing vast quantities
of food from the empire and others. By
1945 internal food production was way ahead
of 1939.

But still nowhere near self sufficiency.

It didn't need to be in 1945, as it imported food from its North American
colony, Canada, by then with the U boat problem suppressed.

In fact food rationing was worse
in the years immediately following
WW2 than during the war itself
as much of the food available from
US, Canadian and other countries
was diverted to feed a starving Europe.

Very true. Basic foods were there, it was the imported stuff like sugar and
the likes.

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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No, yet again you fail. When importing
large qualities of grain, etc from
north America, It meant the UK could
concentrate on war production. Simple
when you know how.

It meant nothing of the sort.

It did.

Women were conscipted to work
on to the land to increase food production.

That is true, yet they didn't need to go 100% self sufficiency in food, as
they could import it when the U boast were suppressed.

By 1940 every plot of land that could
grow food including school playing fields
had been ploughed up and planted.

That was mainly for morale purposes, as was build Anderson air raid
shelters, which the government knew were pretty useless in a direct, or near
direct hit.

It still wasnt enough.

In 1940 you are probably correct. However food production was far higher in
subsequent years.

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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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In 1939 it was not ready,still importing vast quantities
of food from the empire and others. By
1945 internal food production was way ahead
of 1939.

But still nowhere near self sufficiency.

It didn't need to be in 1945, as it imported food from its North American
colony, Canada,

Canada wasn't a "colony" in 1945 and it took Britain until 1954 to eliminate
rationing on some protein sources.

by then with the U boat problem suppressed.

suppression of the "U- boat problem", what U boat problem were they
suppressing for most of 1945.

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"Spiv" wrote:
"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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In 1939 it was not ready,still importing vast quantities
of food from the empire and others. By
1945 internal food production was way ahead
of 1939.

But still nowhere near self sufficiency.

It didn't need to be in 1945, as it imported food from its North
American
colony, Canada,

Canada wasn't a "colony" in 1945 and it took Britain until 1954 to
eliminate
rationing on some protein sources.

1951 I think you will find all rationing was abandoned.

by then with the U boat problem suppressed.

suppression of the "U- boat problem", what U boat problem were they
suppressing for most of 1945.

You have to read it again. It said "by then", meaning by 1945. It is quite
clear. At one time the U boats were sinking vast quantities of food, raw
materials and arms, at a rate faster than the ships could be replaced . It
was won in 1943, it was called The Battle of The Atlantic. You might have
heard of this battle, the battle against the U boats. Once won vast
quantities of grain were imported and people could be better employed making
arms rather than working on the land.

Boy is this ng full of people with no reading abilities or logic.

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"Brett" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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In 1939 it was not ready,still importing vast quantities
of food from the empire and others. By
1945 internal food production was way ahead
of 1939.

But still nowhere near self sufficiency.

It didn't need to be in 1945, as it imported food from its North
American
colony, Canada,

Canada wasn't a "colony" in 1945 and it took Britain until 1954 to
eliminate
rationing on some protein sources.

1951 I think you will find all rationing was abandoned.

Meat was rationed until 1954.

by then with the U boat problem suppressed.

suppression of the "U- boat problem", what U boat problem were they
suppressing for most of 1945.

You have to read it again. It said "by then", meaning by 1945.

Did you not know a significant event occurred mid year 1945 and the UK still
couldn't feed itself for the rest of the year.

It is quite
clear. At one time the U boats were sinking vast quantities of food, raw
materials and arms, at a rate faster than the ships could be replaced .
It
was won in 1943, it was called The Battle of The Atlantic. You might have
heard of this battle, the battle against the U boats. Once won vast
quantities of grain were imported and people could be better employed
making
arms rather than working on the land.

Boy is this ng full of people with no reading abilities or logic.

No you're part of a very select group with that problem, and the only one
with that problem in this section of the thread.

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"Keith Willshaw" writes:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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Naw its pure Spivian, LOL


Isn't "spiv" itself British slang?



Its rather archaic ww2 era slang for a dealer in black market goods.

Just so. A terminal small-timer, incapable of being trusted by those
of more responsibility in the various crime organizations, without the
intelligence or ambition to aspire to, say, teh high-stakes job of
Junior Numbers Runner.

Our Spiv seems to have spent quite some time locked in an attic with
old "Ranger" Magazines.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

"Spiv" wrote in message
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It fails you.


Actually, it's you that does not think logically.



Please read and get the point(s). I know you find this difficult.


I don't find it at all difficult, I'm just trying to help you understand it.



They did know how and went near to doing it, but the battle of the
Atlantic was won, so cheap and plentiful grain could be brought from
its colony, Canada, and the USA.


Canada was a British colony during WWII?



It says this further down the thread.


You've said many things in this thread, but very few of them are correct.



The British Army was overwhelmingly supplied by UK produced arms.


But not completely, the UK still had to import arms.



The UK could make all it wanted.


It could not make all it wanted during WWII.