A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Instrument Flight Rules
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

VFR Practise Approaches



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old September 28th 10, 07:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Mike Adams[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 134
Default VFR Practise Approaches

Mxsmanic wrote:

Mike Adams writes:

About the only exception I can think of is an ILS that's
slightly offset from the runway alignment, but I don't
know of one that's more than a few degrees.


Even in that case, you can still practice the instrument approach
under VFR in VMC. I'm not sure why an offset ILS would be an
exception, since there is still a corresponding instrument procedure
to practice.


The point you raised was about tracking the ILS while making a straight in VFR approach. My only point
was that if it's an offset localizer (in the extreme) the tower might not think you're making a straight in
approach. If the tower has approved you doing a practice ILS approach that's a different situation.

Mike
Ads
  #12  
Old September 28th 10, 07:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Bob Moore
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 291
Default VFR Practise Approaches

Mike Adams wrote
The point you raised was about tracking the ILS while making a
straight in VFR approach. My only point was that if it's an offset
localizer (in the extreme) the tower might not think you're making a
straight in approach. If the tower has approved you doing a practice
ILS approach that's a different situation.


The term "straight-in approach" is used rather broadly just to distinguish
the approach from "flying the pattern" or "join a left base", etc.

Bob Moore
  #13  
Old September 28th 10, 08:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
[email protected]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 838
Default VFR Practise Approaches

On Sep 28, 11:22*am, Mike Adams wrote:
" wrote:
On Sep 26, 4:58*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
On Sep 22, 6:22*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:


For example, if you are told to make straight in to the airport
and you wish
to capture and follow the ILS for your approach, nothing prevents
you *from
doing so, and it's legal as long as the primary means of
navigation remains VFR.


NOT ALWAYS......


Describe the exceptions, then.


NO


I have to agree with MX. Why not provide some examples?


Because he knows it all in his simulated world.

In the REAL world, think Bravo and you will see why I said not always.
  #14  
Old September 29th 10, 03:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Mxsmanic
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 9,169
Default VFR Practise Approaches

Mike Adams writes:

The point you raised was about tracking the ILS while making
a straight in VFR approach. My only point was that if it's an
offset localizer (in the extreme) the tower might not think
you're making a straight in approach. If the tower has approved
you doing a practice ILS approach that's a different situation.


The large fudge factor allowed for straight-in VFR is so generous that it
should easily cover the small offset of an offset localizer or LDA approach.
Even an LDA approach should not be more than 6 degrees from the centerline,
which is trivial compared with VFR tolerances. "Straight-in" doesn't mean that
you have to be on the centerline 20 miles out (although you can be if you
want). It just means that you're not flying the pattern.

However, your point is taken, in that some instrument procedures might depart
sufficiently from normal VFR behavior that you'll probably want ATC to approve
of them before you practice them under VFR, so that they know why you don't
seem to be following the pattern. A circling approach would be one example.
That's why I mentioned an ILS approach, which looks just like a straight-in
approach under VFR.
  #16  
Old September 29th 10, 08:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
[email protected]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 838
Default VFR Practise Approaches

On Sep 29, 9:06*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
In the REAL world, think Bravo and you will see why I said not always.


If you are thinking Class B, you can do what you want in Class B,


WRONG. I DO WHAT ATC WANTS.

But I fly in the real world to know this.
  #17  
Old September 29th 10, 08:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
[email protected]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 838
Default VFR Practise Approaches

On Sep 29, 9:01*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

That's why I mentioned an ILS approach, which looks just like a straight-in
approach under VFR.


WRONG.

YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT CONSIDERING THERE IS MORE TO A GLIDE SLOPE TO AN
ILS APPROACH IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHERE YOU ARE.

  #18  
Old September 29th 10, 10:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Mike Adams[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 134
Default VFR Practise Approaches

" wrote:

On Sep 29, 9:06*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
In the REAL world, think Bravo and you will see why I said not always.


If you are thinking Class B, you can do what you want in Class B,


WRONG. I DO WHAT ATC WANTS.

But I fly in the real world to know this.


I think I'm participating in this discussion beyond the point of any value, but I fly in the real world too, and
have been given the instruction, "cleared into Bravo airspace, maintain own nav to XXXX". So, it is
definitely possible.

Back to the original question, are there any other cases (besides possibly the extremely offset localizer)
when you would not be able to track the ILS when doing a VFR straight-in approach?

Mike
  #19  
Old September 29th 10, 11:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Mxsmanic
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 9,169
Default VFR Practise Approaches

writes:

WRONG.

YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT CONSIDERING THERE IS MORE TO A GLIDE SLOPE TO AN
ILS APPROACH IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHERE YOU ARE.


What?
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
LAS approaches Ron Garret Instrument Flight Rules 10 March 28th 09 07:46 AM
My First GPS Approaches john smith Instrument Flight Rules 10 November 9th 04 10:14 PM
ILS PRM approaches Riddler Instrument Flight Rules 2 October 28th 04 12:37 PM
Channel News Asia: Taiwan Jets Practise Emergency Landings on Freeway Amid Tensions with China Dionaea muscipula Military Aviation 0 July 21st 04 08:18 AM
NDB approaches -- what are they good for? Dylan Smith Instrument Flight Rules 15 July 10th 03 09:15 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:57 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2004-2017 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.