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YKM (Yakama, Washington) RWY 27
BFI (Boeing Field, Seattle) RWY 13R ACV (Arcata, California) RWY 32 J Haggerty wrote: Here's an ILS with ILS and Circling minima, but LOC is NA. This one has the note on the procedure that states "Circling requires descent on GS to MDA". http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0504/00388ID32.PDF For May 12th effective date, the link is; http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0505/00388ID32.PDF Sheridan, WY (KSHR) ILS/DME Rwy 32 JPH wrote: Can you give us some examples? Stan On Tue, 03 May 2005 20:04:24 -0500, J Haggerty wrote: There are actually a few ILS procedures that do not have LOC minima. That would normally be caused by very high obstacles that would keep the LOC MDA too high, but are not high enough to penetrate the precision obstacle clearance slope. |
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So on the SHR ILS/DME 32, the missed approach point for the circling
approach is 1.5 DME from I-SHR. Do you always assume that the last fix on the profile view is the MAP for the non-precision approach on the ILS plate? Usually non-precision MAPs coincide with the beginning of the runway, but not always. Anyhow, just wondering if that can become ambiguous in some corner cases. |
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Peter wrote: So on the SHR ILS/DME 32, the missed approach point for the circling approach is 1.5 DME from I-SHR. Do you always assume that the last fix on the profile view is the MAP for the non-precision approach on the ILS plate? Usually non-precision MAPs coincide with the beginning of the runway, but not always. Yep. And, the timing table gives another check except when DME is required, then it's blank. The MAP is usually the threshold for an IAP with straight-in minimums, but it could be prior to the threshold with dashed lines afterwards, or it could be after the threshold for an on-airport VOR or NDB. Anyhow, just wondering if that can become ambiguous in some corner cases. |
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Yeah, but in the ILS at SHR mentioned previously, the dashed line shows
the missed approach beginning at the decision height (not the MDA for the circling approach) and there is DME, so the timing table is blank, and in the little airport diagram there is no "FAF to MAP XX NM" blurb. In other words, on that particular plate, there is nothing identifying the missed approach point for the circling approach. There just happens to be this fix at the threshold. If there also happened to be an inner marker, that would show up on the plate, but it has nothing to do with the circling approach. So how can you be sure which fix is the MAP for the ILS-circle-to-land or LOC approach that is co-charted with an ILS? |
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The Jeppesen chart shows an "M" at the 1.5 I-SHR DME, which means
non-precision MAP. Peter wrote: Yeah, but in the ILS at SHR mentioned previously, the dashed line shows the missed approach beginning at the decision height (not the MDA for the circling approach) and there is DME, so the timing table is blank, and in the little airport diagram there is no "FAF to MAP XX NM" blurb. In other words, on that particular plate, there is nothing identifying the missed approach point for the circling approach. There just happens to be this fix at the threshold. If there also happened to be an inner marker, that would show up on the plate, but it has nothing to do with the circling approach. So how can you be sure which fix is the MAP for the ILS-circle-to-land or LOC approach that is co-charted with an ILS? |
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