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Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
"Ned" wrote in message ... Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation Popular Mechanics | By David Noland | October 13, 2007 snip Hmmm. No mention of September 11, 2001. I would have thought those plane crashes would have made the list, given the drastic changes that resulted. -- Kwyj. |
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Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
Kwyjibo wrote:
"Ned" wrote in message ... Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation Popular Mechanics | By David Noland | October 13, 2007 snip Hmmm. No mention of September 11, 2001. I would have thought those plane crashes would have made the list, given the drastic changes that resulted. No, because the changes haven't resulted in any increase in safety. Sylvia. |
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Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
Kwyjibo wrote:
"Ned" wrote in message ... Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation Popular Mechanics | By David Noland | October 13, 2007 snip Hmmm. No mention of September 11, 2001. I would have thought those plane crashes would have made the list, given the drastic changes that resulted. Those four plane crashes were, in my opinion, not accidents, but deliberate and pre-meditated acts of suicide and murder. To me, that would explain why those did not make the list. |
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Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:31:06 +1100, Sylvia Else
wrote in : Kwyjibo wrote: "Ned" wrote in message ... Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation Popular Mechanics | By David Noland | October 13, 2007 snip Hmmm. No mention of September 11, 2001. I would have thought those plane crashes would have made the list, given the drastic changes that resulted. No, because the changes haven't resulted in any increase in safety. Sylvia. The terrorist attacks may not have resulted in increased aviation safety (despite the best efforts of the TSA), but they very significantly altered aviation in the US and the world. Relieved the airlines of the expense of passenger screening. Established port security as an inherently governmental function. Temporarily shutdown the entire NAS with the exception of the Bin Laden family's expeditious flight out of the country. Spawned a plethora of VIP TFRs that continues today. Implemented mandatory background checks for flight students. Created a new ADIZ over Washington DC. Impacted airline captain job satisfaction[1] ... [1] http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle2063130.ece Enough security checks At least one pilot in airline Widerøe has opted for early retirement rather than continue to endure the security routines at Norwegian airports. Tom Erik Liverud, head of Widerøe's pilot union confirmed this to newspaper Adresseavisen. A captain chose to retire early primarily because of what he called "security madness". "He is happy to be retired and finished with this. This is a marked contrast to some years ago when pilots were sad to give up their dream jobs when they passed 60," Liverud said. Just a few days ago a Widerøe pilot delayed a departure from Namsos for refusing to take off his shoes in a security check, and reportedly screamed - 'I am no terrorist!'. This problems is most acute on the short hop networks where pilots and other crew may have to go through security checks up to ten times a day, all year round, even if their exit and re-entry is due to a trip to the toilet or to get a cup of coffee. "The security demands are all for show and in some situations are counterproductive. All a pilot needs to crash a plane is his hands. It feels meaningless to use so many millions of crowns without even carrying out a risk analysis," Liverud said. The Norwegian Airline Pilots Association believes that flight crews should have separate arrangements, like customs officers and police, who are allowed to freely pass through airport security checks when on duty. |
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Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
"Arnold Sten" wrote in message . .. Kwyjibo wrote: "Ned" wrote in message ... Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation Popular Mechanics | By David Noland | October 13, 2007 snip Hmmm. No mention of September 11, 2001. I would have thought those plane crashes would have made the list, given the drastic changes that resulted. Those four plane crashes were, in my opinion, not accidents, but deliberate and pre-meditated acts of suicide and murder. To me, that would explain why those did not make the list. Ahh, but the title of the article is "Ten Plane *Crashes* That Changed Aviation", not "Ten Plane *Accidents* That Changed Aviation". No reason for them to be excluded, given the massive changes to aviation that resulted worldwide. -- Kwyj. |
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Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
On Oct 31, 11:31 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Kwyjibo wrote: "Ned" wrote in ... Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation Popular Mechanics | By David Noland | October 13, 2007 snip Hmmm. No mention of September 11, 2001. I would have thought those plane crashes would have made the list, given the drastic changes that resulted. No, because the changes haven't resulted in any increase in safety. I'd argue that there have been significant increases in safety since those attacks. I'll go so far as to predict that there will be no more succesful airliner hijackings in the rest of my lifetime. But the reason has absolutely nothing to do with the government's many actions. They could stop screening passengers entirely, and hijackings still wouldn't be feasible. The reason has everything to do with the change in public consciousness. If you did a survey on Sept 10, 2001, asking people what is the safest course of action if they're a passenger on an airliner when someone stands up and announces that the plane is being hijacked, most people would've said to stay quiet, lay low, cooperate, and don't attract attention. Up until then, hijacked passengers and flight crew members could expect to survive the ordeal if they followed those rules. Since that time, the correct course of action has changed to, "If you want to live, do whatever it takes to disable or kill the hijackers, at all costs. Do not cooperate at all under any circumstances." THAT is what has put an end to airliner hijacking. |
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Arnold Sten wrote:
Those four plane crashes were, in my opinion, not accidents, but deliberate and pre-meditated acts of suicide and murder. To me, that would explain why those did not make the list. Perhaps that Cypriot 737 that crashed in Greece should be considered an important one. Not because of failure of pressurisation system, but because the politicians, after 9-11, mandated a hurried implementation of the locked cockpit door system which proved fatal in the Cypriot 737 crash since the remaining conscious crewmember was prevented from entering the cockpit to save the situation until the door unlocked when fuel ran out, but by then, it was too late. There is also the issue of aircraft wiring. It wasn't a single accident/crash that changed aviation, but rather realisation after a number of incidents that aircraft wiring was a big problem. And in the case of the UA 747 near Hawaii, the conclusion was changed years later from human error to faulty aircraft wiring. TWA800 and SR111 were the more obvious accidents. The early A320 problems also showed that FAA and other certification agencies had antiquated testing procedures that did not ensure the software on an aircraft was reliable. Most of the A320 problems did not result in a crash, but still showed that the aircraft was put into service with less than acceptable software quality which should have been spotted before the aircraft entered commercial service. Aircraft certification tests were revised and subsequent aircraft introductions were far more reliable. I'd have to say though that Comet was probably the biggest one since it made engineers realise that pressurisation cycles affect aircraft structure and that has been a major impact on all subsequent aircarft. |
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Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
"Sylvia Else" wrote Well, yes, that's what I had in mind. The September 11th style hijackings were already impossible on the 12th. The crashes that changed aviation article was about changes to practice and construction that resulted from the investigation, not about changes to passenger behaviour. What difference does it make, how the lack of future hijackings came about? If it is increased security, stronger cockpit doors, or more vigilant passengers, the change produces the same result. I think the 9-11 change should be at the very top of the list. No credit should go to the airlines, though. All the credit is due the passengers. -- Jim in NC |
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Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
"Nobody" wrote I'd have to say though that Comet was probably the biggest one since it made engineers realise that pressurisation cycles affect aircraft structure and that has been a major impact on all subsequent aircarft. Hard to argue that, but I think it is important because of the style of reconstructive investigation that grew from figuring out the crashes. It is the standard that all modern investigations grew from. -- Jim in NC |
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