Overstressed King Air

Passed on to me from a friend - evidently the pilot's windshield cracked at
27k feet, the crew dumped pressurization per the checklist and donned
oxygen - only there wasn't any coming to the masks. They passed out and woke
up at about 7000 ft and had to pull out of the dive. As you can see, did a
real number on the empennage and buckled the wings. God smiled upon these
lads, no doubt about it. (Did someone mention VNE?)
You can Google N777AJ

"Alan" wrote in
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Passed on to me from a friend - evidently the pilot's windshield cracked
at 27k feet, the crew dumped pressurization per the checklist and donned
oxygen - only there wasn't any coming to the masks. They passed out and
woke up at about 7000 ft and had to pull out of the dive.


Sounds like grounds for litigation to me...........

Mitchell Holman wrote:
"Alan" wrote in
:

Passed on to me from a friend - evidently the pilot's windshield cracked
at 27k feet, the crew dumped pressurization per the checklist and donned
oxygen - only there wasn't any coming to the masks. They passed out and
woke up at about 7000 ft and had to pull out of the dive.


Sounds like grounds for litigation to me...........





0. Remember that the flight recorder hears every word
0a. "Ah, non-pertinent remark"
0b. "Wonder what bird flies at FL27?
0c. "I smell something, is that you?"

1. Perform Preflight checklist -- O2 pressure in limits?

2. Don O2 masks and confirm supply switches on auto

3. In-flight emergency checklist
3a. Call out mayday or Pan message to ATC
3b. Squawk transponder to emergency
3c. Begin descent
3d. Alert Pax, if any
3e. Reduce pressure with steady downward reduction curve

4. RTB and find the responsible mech
4a. Punch his lights out
4b Call the boss tell him his plane is a no go for tomorrow's
Gambler's Special and Hookers Hook-up in Las Vegas

5. Change underwear

6. Go to nearest church and thank G-d

7. Get drunk as a skunk

the oxymoron bird flies at 27K?
"CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote in message
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Mitchell Holman wrote:
"Alan" wrote in
:
Passed on to me from a friend - evidently the pilot's windshield cracked
at 27k feet, the crew dumped pressurization per the checklist and donned
oxygen - only there wasn't any coming to the masks. They passed out and
woke up at about 7000 ft and had to pull out of the dive.


Sounds like grounds for litigation to me...........





0. Remember that the flight recorder hears every word
0a. "Ah, non-pertinent remark"
0b. "Wonder what bird flies at FL27?
0c. "I smell something, is that you?"

1. Perform Preflight checklist -- O2 pressure in limits?

2. Don O2 masks and confirm supply switches on auto

3. In-flight emergency checklist
3a. Call out mayday or Pan message to ATC
3b. Squawk transponder to emergency
3c. Begin descent
3d. Alert Pax, if any
3e. Reduce pressure with steady downward reduction curve

4. RTB and find the responsible mech
4a. Punch his lights out
4b Call the boss tell him his plane is a no go for tomorrow's Gambler's
Special and Hookers Hook-up in Las Vegas

5. Change underwear

6. Go to nearest church and thank G-d

7. Get drunk as a skunk

I am thinking maybe an ice chunk from the B757's aft crapper flying at FL39?

Anyways, I meant it all as humor. In reality, the last line of the NTSB
report intimates that if the system worked on the ground it had to work
in the air. How many of us believe that?

Cheers,

Dave




Herb wrote:
the oxymoron bird flies at 27K?
"CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote in message
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Mitchell Holman wrote:
"Alan" wrote in
:
Passed on to me from a friend - evidently the pilot's windshield cracked
at 27k feet, the crew dumped pressurization per the checklist and donned
oxygen - only there wasn't any coming to the masks. They passed out and
woke up at about 7000 ft and had to pull out of the dive.

Sounds like grounds for litigation to me...........




0. Remember that the flight recorder hears every word
0a. "Ah, non-pertinent remark"
0b. "Wonder what bird flies at FL27?
0c. "I smell something, is that you?"

1. Perform Preflight checklist -- O2 pressure in limits?

2. Don O2 masks and confirm supply switches on auto

3. In-flight emergency checklist
3a. Call out mayday or Pan message to ATC
3b. Squawk transponder to emergency
3c. Begin descent
3d. Alert Pax, if any
3e. Reduce pressure with steady downward reduction curve

4. RTB and find the responsible mech
4a. Punch his lights out
4b Call the boss tell him his plane is a no go for tomorrow's Gambler's
Special and Hookers Hook-up in Las Vegas

5. Change underwear

6. Go to nearest church and thank G-d

7. Get drunk as a skunk

CWO4 Dave Mann wrote in
:

I am thinking maybe an ice chunk from the B757's aft crapper flying at
FL39?

Anyways, I meant it all as humor. In reality, the last line of the
NTSB report intimates that if the system worked on the ground it had
to work in the air. How many of us believe that?

Cheers,

Dave



I wonder about one of the "other" report about debris from the aircraft
being seen falling around, but not striking a med-helicopter below them..

Dave,
I take issue at "finding the responsible mech".
In over 20 years of working on the model 200 I saw only one cracked
windshield was as a result of an improper installation (and it wasn't me so
don't go there). More often than not, it was turning on the W/S anti-ice on
later in climbout or at cruise that the pane cracked due to cold soak and
the resulting thermal shock. I think our heroic crew may share some
culpability on this miracle of survival. I don't know about the new one's
coming out but you have to arm the oxygen system to make it available for
use on the King Air. It's on the prestart checklist.
Change 0c. to 5.
Change 5. to 5a.

Alan

"CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote in message
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Mitchell Holman wrote:
"Alan" wrote in
:

Passed on to me from a friend - evidently the pilot's windshield
cracked
at 27k feet, the crew dumped pressurization per the checklist and
donned
oxygen - only there wasn't any coming to the masks. They passed out and
woke up at about 7000 ft and had to pull out of the dive.


Sounds like grounds for litigation to me...........





0. Remember that the flight recorder hears every word
0a. "Ah, non-pertinent remark"
0b. "Wonder what bird flies at FL27?
0c. "I smell something, is that you?"

1. Perform Preflight checklist -- O2 pressure in limits?

2. Don O2 masks and confirm supply switches on auto

3. In-flight emergency checklist
3a. Call out mayday or Pan message to ATC
3b. Squawk transponder to emergency
3c. Begin descent
3d. Alert Pax, if any
3e. Reduce pressure with steady downward reduction curve

4. RTB and find the responsible mech
4a. Punch his lights out
4b Call the boss tell him his plane is a no go for tomorrow's
Gambler's Special and Hookers Hook-up in Las Vegas

5. Change underwear

6. Go to nearest church and thank G-d

7. Get drunk as a skunk

Yes Alan, you are correct and my face is somewhat red. Most of the
C12/B200 accidents I know about were due to the old collapsing landing
gear syndrome.

I am voting for a falling piece of ice from FL 500 dumped by the Area 51
Latest Stealth job.



Cheers,

Dave



Alan wrote:
Dave,
I take issue at "finding the responsible mech".
In over 20 years of working on the model 200 I saw only one cracked
windshield was as a result of an improper installation (and it wasn't me so
don't go there). More often than not, it was turning on the W/S anti-ice on
later in climbout or at cruise that the pane cracked due to cold soak and
the resulting thermal shock. I think our heroic crew may share some
culpability on this miracle of survival. I don't know about the new one's
coming out but you have to arm the oxygen system to make it available for
use on the King Air. It's on the prestart checklist.
Change 0c. to 5.
Change 5. to 5a.

Alan

"CWO4 Dave Mann" wrote in message
. ..
Mitchell Holman wrote:
"Alan" wrote in
:

Passed on to me from a friend - evidently the pilot's windshield
cracked
at 27k feet, the crew dumped pressurization per the checklist and
donned
oxygen - only there wasn't any coming to the masks. They passed out and
woke up at about 7000 ft and had to pull out of the dive.

Sounds like grounds for litigation to me...........




0. Remember that the flight recorder hears every word
0a. "Ah, non-pertinent remark"
0b. "Wonder what bird flies at FL27?
0c. "I smell something, is that you?"

1. Perform Preflight checklist -- O2 pressure in limits?

2. Don O2 masks and confirm supply switches on auto

3. In-flight emergency checklist
3a. Call out mayday or Pan message to ATC
3b. Squawk transponder to emergency
3c. Begin descent
3d. Alert Pax, if any
3e. Reduce pressure with steady downward reduction curve

4. RTB and find the responsible mech
4a. Punch his lights out
4b Call the boss tell him his plane is a no go for tomorrow's
Gambler's Special and Hookers Hook-up in Las Vegas

5. Change underwear

6. Go to nearest church and thank G-d

7. Get drunk as a skunk

In article ,
Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Alan" wrote in
:

Passed on to me from a friend - evidently the pilot's windshield cracked
at 27k feet, the crew dumped pressurization per the checklist and donned
oxygen - only there wasn't any coming to the masks. They passed out and
woke up at about 7000 ft and had to pull out of the dive.


Sounds like grounds for litigation to me...........





That NTSB report said the O2 system worked on the ground. It also said
the crew dumped pressurization THEN donned masks...perhaps doing that in
the reverse order would have been better.

"Dale" wrote in message
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In article ,
Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Alan" wrote in
:

Passed on to me from a friend - evidently the pilot's windshield
cracked
at 27k feet, the crew dumped pressurization per the checklist and
donned
oxygen - only there wasn't any coming to the masks. They passed out and
woke up at about 7000 ft and had to pull out of the dive.


Sounds like grounds for litigation to me...........





That NTSB report said the O2 system worked on the ground. It also said
the crew dumped pressurization THEN donned masks...perhaps doing that in
the reverse order would have been better.

Flight manual advises to slowly reduce the pressure in the cabin but make
sure there is a + ve px in the cabin to support cracked window. IE.. they
shouldn't have dumped px. Oxy should have been on already and available at
the masks.

These clowns turned a run of the mill cracked windscreen into a major drama
that has stuffed an airframe and nearly killed themselves.