Right seat flying

This isn't an IFR related question, but I don't see an r.a group devoted
to instruction. I just received the May/June issue of Aviator's Guide
and they make an interesting claim on page 38. In the third paragraph
they say that it is illegal for a non-instructor pilot to fly in the
right seat with a non-pilot in the left seat. I've never thought about
doing this, but never considered that it could be illegal. Can anyone
here confirm this, preferably with a reference to the approriate FAR?
I've never come across an FAR that addressed this before.


Matt

Horse feathers. Is this a US publication?

Bob Gardner

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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This isn't an IFR related question, but I don't see an r.a group devoted
to instruction. I just received the May/June issue of Aviator's Guide
and they make an interesting claim on page 38. In the third paragraph
they say that it is illegal for a non-instructor pilot to fly in the
right seat with a non-pilot in the left seat. I've never thought about
doing this, but never considered that it could be illegal. Can anyone
here confirm this, preferably with a reference to the approriate FAR?
I've never come across an FAR that addressed this before.


Matt

Bob Gardner wrote:
Horse feathers. Is this a US publication?

Bob Gardner

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

This isn't an IFR related question, but I don't see an r.a group devoted
to instruction. I just received the May/June issue of Aviator's Guide
and they make an interesting claim on page 38. In the third paragraph
they say that it is illegal for a non-instructor pilot to fly in the
right seat with a non-pilot in the left seat. I've never thought about
doing this, but never considered that it could be illegal. Can anyone
here confirm this, preferably with a reference to the approriate FAR?
I've never come across an FAR that addressed this before.


Matt

Yes, it is. It is published by J&S Media, Port Washington, NY. The
author of the article containing the statement is Amy Laboda.

Matt

That's a surprise...she is sharper than that.

Bob Gardner

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
Bob Gardner wrote:
Horse feathers. Is this a US publication?

Bob Gardner

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

This isn't an IFR related question, but I don't see an r.a group devoted
to instruction. I just received the May/June issue of Aviator's Guide
and they make an interesting claim on page 38. In the third paragraph
they say that it is illegal for a non-instructor pilot to fly in the
right seat with a non-pilot in the left seat. I've never thought about
doing this, but never considered that it could be illegal. Can anyone
here confirm this, preferably with a reference to the approriate FAR?
I've never come across an FAR that addressed this before.


Matt

Yes, it is. It is published by J&S Media, Port Washington, NY. The
author of the article containing the statement is Amy Laboda.

Matt

"Bob Gardner" wrote in
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Yes, it is. It is published by J&S Media, Port Washington, NY. The
author of the article containing the statement is Amy Laboda.

That's a surprise...she is sharper than that.

My thought exactly. Surely she knows better than that. Was there *any*
other context that might change things. Such as not talking about the USA?
Or talking about aircraft without dual controls?

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James M. Knox wrote:
"Bob Gardner" wrote in
news:N8Dkc.5925$I%1.488195@attbi_s51:


Yes, it is. It is published by J&S Media, Port Washington, NY. The
author of the article containing the statement is Amy Laboda.


That's a surprise...she is sharper than that.


My thought exactly. Surely she knows better than that. Was there *any*
other context that might change things. Such as not talking about the USA?
Or talking about aircraft without dual controls?

Nothing obvious. I sent an email to the editor and he forwarded it to
Amy and cc'd me.

I checked their web site (http://www.aviatorsguide.com/), but they have
yet to post the latest issue online, so you all can't read the full
article. I'm not sure why I'm receiving this publication as I didn't
subscribe to it, but this is the second issue I've received.

Matt

In article ,
Matt Whiting wrote:
they say that it is illegal for a non-instructor pilot to fly in the
right seat with a non-pilot in the left seat.

I've seen that in insurance but not the FARs.

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Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

Ben Jackson wrote:
In article ,
Matt Whiting wrote:

they say that it is illegal for a non-instructor pilot to fly in the
right seat with a non-pilot in the left seat.


I've seen that in insurance but not the FARs.


That would be as important as the FARs in today's society.


Matt

From: Anthony Acri )
Subject: Right Seat Flying

Date: 2001-12-11 03:21:43 PST

Does anybody know if there is any regulations about flying from the
right
seat? Would like to flyi from the right seat while taking some
people up
for sightseeing. Have been flying from the right when I have been
doing my
instructors courses.

Thanks

As a question, why would you want to place a passenger in the left
seat? what purpose would it serve ?

There are regulations pertaining to this, and if you are indeed doing
your instructors rating you should have gained a reasonable knowledge
of the FAR's and furthermore have an understaning of CRM.

as we are all aware, many GA aircraft are equipped with "dual"
controls and instumentation, however, depending on the aircraft the
left seat is configured as the primary control station, with
reduced/limited access from the right seat, limited further if a body
is in that seat, limited even further if it is occupied by a non
pilot.

so again, what purpose would it serve to position a non pilot in the
left seat and place yourself in the right seat, why would you want to
limit access to full control of the aircraft.

you may be able to find a loophole in the FAR's, renters policy or
insurance requirements to allow you to do this "legally", though even
posing the question indicates a complete failure to understand CRM and
lack of professionalism. if i found one of my pilots acting in this
manner he would never be in one of my cockpits again forthwith.

"running with scissors" wrote in
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As a question, why would you want to place a passenger in the left
seat? what purpose would it serve ?

A few that come to mind...

1) For aerial photography flights in aircraft with only left opening windows
2) Returning to base with an inop PTT button on the left yoke
3) attaching a yoke mounted GPS so that it doesn't block the instruments
directly in front of you on the panel
4) Demo-ing an aircraft to a potential buyer (who may not even be rated yet)