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Old October 20th 03, 01:59 PM
Larry Smith
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Default Kenny's Exposed Lies Got His Panties in a Wad

Now, git, troll.

Here's the thread that got the lying inbred cracker dripping:


1 Splat! Sep 24, 2003
\-2 Ken Sandyeggo Sep 24, 2003
\-3 Larry Smith Sep 29, 2003
\-4 Ken Sandyeggo Sep 30, 2003
|-5 Barnyard BOb -- Oct 1, 2003
\-6 Larry Smith Oct 1, 2003




And here, his lies are exposed, making him vewy angwy.

From: Larry Smith )
Subject: Liability after sale
View: Complete Thread (7 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.homebuilt
Date: 2003-09-29 09:23:56 PST


Hyperbole, lawyerphobia, invective, and hysterical spewage: Kenny, did
you get tagged in court for failure to exercise personal responsibility?




Inbred Cracker: Save the $300. Whatever the lawyer comes up is worthless
and
generally invalid.

Answer:*That must be the reason why you see so many RV's, Skybolts, and
Lancairs
for sale in Trade-a-Plane.

*Now put the minutiae where your mouth is. Give examples. Elucidate,
elaborate, and enlarge on these unconstrained remarks.

[You will notice that he didn't elaborate or give examples; he went on a
trailer trash tirade.]


Inbred Cracker: Can you get the buyer's kids, wife, mother, father
and down to the cousin thrice removed to sign it?

Answer: *A married seller's ma and pa are not his heirs at law. Nor his
cousins,
but maybe your cousins are your brothers and sisters?

*I knew where there was a case against a seller, but they didn't file it
because property was in his name with his wife. Sorry to disappoint you.


Inbred Cracker: They're the ones
that are going to sue if the buyer takes a dirt nap.

Answer: *Cute understatement from a frustrated overstater, but no. A suit
might be
filed if the defendant is wealthy. But then when is the last one we've
heard of since John Denver's mama sued over that defective fuel valve? Don
't bring up the kook in Florida. His case was an aberration by a freak.
[.]

"Splat!" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Add $300 to the purchase price,
and use that to pay the aviation lawyer to handle the sale,
and protect your uncle's ass.

But poor you !
You have unwittingly posted a picture to this NG,
and will probably be scolded by Ronny !

Splat!
"Franklin Breeden" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I have an uncle who worked for North American Rockwell for almost 50
years. In the early 70s he build a gyrocopter, picture attached, and
over the years flew it for 1500 hours. He was an instructor in it and
president of a gyro club in the LAX area. Anyway, he is now 80 and in
failing health. I saw him and the gyrocopter last month while visiting
in Carson City, NV. The issue is he would like to sell the machine but
is concerned about liability. Aircraft and auto companies are always
getting sued about design flaws. Since he built this machine himself he
is concerned that his estate could be lost in a law suit. As you can
see, the machine has an N number as an experimental aircraft. One FAA
guy said that since it is experimental there should be no liability for
him. Other FAA guys have no idea. My uncle has drafted a letter for a
buyer to sign releasing my uncle of all liability and requiring the
buyer to agree to obtain training in gyros.

As I see it, if a buyer signs the agreement it should be valid. I
realize this is really a legal question. The only other option is to
disassemble the machine, unregistered it, and let the buyer reassemble
and register it. Would anyone have any thoughts about this matter or
possibly other recommendations?
--






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Old October 20th 03, 05:43 PM
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You forgot to put LLLL in your subject! =D


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Old October 20th 03, 08:46 PM
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"Larry Smith" wrote in message superfluous crappola. Yeah, yeah. Once again, ass-wipe of the highest order:

"What court, what for and where in Santee did I live? Put up or shut
up, loser." What does all the **** you just posted have to do with
you being a liar or not? Show me where I ever outright lied about
something I knew was untrue, like you do. This place is full of
opinions and yes, ****-head, unlike you, I can admit that sometimes my
opinions were incorrect or I was misinformed. Can you say that,
pencil-dick? I'd reply to what you just posted, but I got bored after
the first line. Do you think anyone is going to really read all the
tripe you posted?

C'mom you lame coward, stick to the topic at hand. Wait a sec. I
just got an e-mail from latchless. Hang on, I'll be right back.

Wow! He's apologizing, admitting he was wrong and did indeed lie. He
also is admitting that I whomped him unmercifully. Says he's sorry
for being such an ass. There's more, but I have to go now. I'll post
the details later today.





Now, git, troll.

Here's the thread that got the lying inbred cracker dripping:


1 Splat! Sep 24, 2003
\-2 Ken Sandyeggo Sep 24, 2003
\-3 Larry Smith Sep 29, 2003
\-4 Ken Sandyeggo Sep 30, 2003
|-5 Barnyard BOb -- Oct 1, 2003
\-6 Larry Smith Oct 1, 2003




And here, his lies are exposed, making him vewy angwy.

From: Larry Smith )
Subject: Liability after sale
View: Complete Thread (7 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.homebuilt
Date: 2003-09-29 09:23:56 PST


Hyperbole, lawyerphobia, invective, and hysterical spewage: Kenny, did
you get tagged in court for failure to exercise personal responsibility?




Inbred Cracker: Save the $300. Whatever the lawyer comes up is worthless
and
generally invalid.

Answer:*That must be the reason why you see so many RV's, Skybolts, and
Lancairs
for sale in Trade-a-Plane.

*Now put the minutiae where your mouth is. Give examples. Elucidate,
elaborate, and enlarge on these unconstrained remarks.

[You will notice that he didn't elaborate or give examples; he went on a
trailer trash tirade.]


Inbred Cracker: Can you get the buyer's kids, wife, mother, father
and down to the cousin thrice removed to sign it?

Answer: *A married seller's ma and pa are not his heirs at law. Nor his
cousins,
but maybe your cousins are your brothers and sisters?

*I knew where there was a case against a seller, but they didn't file it
because property was in his name with his wife. Sorry to disappoint you.


Inbred Cracker: They're the ones
that are going to sue if the buyer takes a dirt nap.

Answer: *Cute understatement from a frustrated overstater, but no. A suit
might be
filed if the defendant is wealthy. But then when is the last one we've
heard of since John Denver's mama sued over that defective fuel valve? Don
't bring up the kook in Florida. His case was an aberration by a freak.
[.]

"Splat!" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Add $300 to the purchase price,
and use that to pay the aviation lawyer to handle the sale,
and protect your uncle's ass.

But poor you !
You have unwittingly posted a picture to this NG,
and will probably be scolded by Ronny !

Splat!
"Franklin Breeden" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I have an uncle who worked for North American Rockwell for almost 50
years. In the early 70s he build a gyrocopter, picture attached, and
over the years flew it for 1500 hours. He was an instructor in it and
president of a gyro club in the LAX area. Anyway, he is now 80 and in
failing health. I saw him and the gyrocopter last month while visiting
in Carson City, NV. The issue is he would like to sell the machine but
is concerned about liability. Aircraft and auto companies are always
getting sued about design flaws. Since he built this machine himself he
is concerned that his estate could be lost in a law suit. As you can
see, the machine has an N number as an experimental aircraft. One FAA
guy said that since it is experimental there should be no liability for
him. Other FAA guys have no idea. My uncle has drafted a letter for a
buyer to sign releasing my uncle of all liability and requiring the
buyer to agree to obtain training in gyros.

As I see it, if a buyer signs the agreement it should be valid. I
realize this is really a legal question. The only other option is to
disassemble the machine, unregistered it, and let the buyer reassemble
and register it. Would anyone have any thoughts about this matter or
possibly other recommendations?
--

  #4  
Old October 20th 03, 11:08 PM
Ken Sandyeggo
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"Larry Smith" wrote in message ...


YAAAAAWN. It is really boring that you can't come up with your own
lines and now have to steal lines from my posts. What you posted
below is really interesting. Double-yaaaaawn. It's on a par with
your battery and filter posts. Sorry, ass-wipe, but I'm going to
start a new "LLL" thread with all the apologies and boot-licking that
you sent in your e-mail to me this afternoon. You didn't ask me to
keep it confidential, except for the sexual experimenting stuff, so I
don't have any obligation to not post your admittance of being wrong,
lying and depressed because although you knew better than to challenge
me verbally, you went ahead and did it anyway. I'll be quoting you a
little later in the new "LLL" thread. At least you finally admitted
that you were posting lies.







Now, git, troll.

Here's the thread that got the lying inbred cracker dripping:


1 Splat! Sep 24, 2003
\-2 Ken Sandyeggo Sep 24, 2003
\-3 Larry Smith Sep 29, 2003
\-4 Ken Sandyeggo Sep 30, 2003
|-5 Barnyard BOb -- Oct 1, 2003
\-6 Larry Smith Oct 1, 2003




And here, his lies are exposed, making him vewy angwy.

From: Larry Smith )
Subject: Liability after sale
View: Complete Thread (7 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.homebuilt
Date: 2003-09-29 09:23:56 PST


Hyperbole, lawyerphobia, invective, and hysterical spewage: Kenny, did
you get tagged in court for failure to exercise personal responsibility?




Inbred Cracker: Save the $300. Whatever the lawyer comes up is worthless
and
generally invalid.

Answer:*That must be the reason why you see so many RV's, Skybolts, and
Lancairs
for sale in Trade-a-Plane.

*Now put the minutiae where your mouth is. Give examples. Elucidate,
elaborate, and enlarge on these unconstrained remarks.

[You will notice that he didn't elaborate or give examples; he went on a
trailer trash tirade.]


Inbred Cracker: Can you get the buyer's kids, wife, mother, father
and down to the cousin thrice removed to sign it?

Answer: *A married seller's ma and pa are not his heirs at law. Nor his
cousins,
but maybe your cousins are your brothers and sisters?

*I knew where there was a case against a seller, but they didn't file it
because property was in his name with his wife. Sorry to disappoint you.


Inbred Cracker: They're the ones
that are going to sue if the buyer takes a dirt nap.

Answer: *Cute understatement from a frustrated overstater, but no. A suit
might be
filed if the defendant is wealthy. But then when is the last one we've
heard of since John Denver's mama sued over that defective fuel valve? Don
't bring up the kook in Florida. His case was an aberration by a freak.
[.]

"Splat!" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Add $300 to the purchase price,
and use that to pay the aviation lawyer to handle the sale,
and protect your uncle's ass.

But poor you !
You have unwittingly posted a picture to this NG,
and will probably be scolded by Ronny !

Splat!
"Franklin Breeden" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I have an uncle who worked for North American Rockwell for almost 50
years. In the early 70s he build a gyrocopter, picture attached, and
over the years flew it for 1500 hours. He was an instructor in it and
president of a gyro club in the LAX area. Anyway, he is now 80 and in
failing health. I saw him and the gyrocopter last month while visiting
in Carson City, NV. The issue is he would like to sell the machine but
is concerned about liability. Aircraft and auto companies are always
getting sued about design flaws. Since he built this machine himself he
is concerned that his estate could be lost in a law suit. As you can
see, the machine has an N number as an experimental aircraft. One FAA
guy said that since it is experimental there should be no liability for
him. Other FAA guys have no idea. My uncle has drafted a letter for a
buyer to sign releasing my uncle of all liability and requiring the
buyer to agree to obtain training in gyros.

As I see it, if a buyer signs the agreement it should be valid. I
realize this is really a legal question. The only other option is to
disassemble the machine, unregistered it, and let the buyer reassemble
and register it. Would anyone have any thoughts about this matter or
possibly other recommendations?
--

  #5  
Old October 20th 03, 11:12 PM
Ken Sandyeggo
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"Larry Smith" wrote in message tripe.

Hey ass-wipe. I forget. How come you didn't finish law school? Or
were you disbarred? Maybe you ran out of stamps to send your lessons
in. I didn't think mail-order degrees were accepted anymore. Let me
know in another e-mail so I can clear it up.






Now, git, troll.

Here's the thread that got the lying inbred cracker dripping:


1 Splat! Sep 24, 2003
\-2 Ken Sandyeggo Sep 24, 2003
\-3 Larry Smith Sep 29, 2003
\-4 Ken Sandyeggo Sep 30, 2003
|-5 Barnyard BOb -- Oct 1, 2003
\-6 Larry Smith Oct 1, 2003




And here, his lies are exposed, making him vewy angwy.

From: Larry Smith )
Subject: Liability after sale
View: Complete Thread (7 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.homebuilt
Date: 2003-09-29 09:23:56 PST


Hyperbole, lawyerphobia, invective, and hysterical spewage: Kenny, did
you get tagged in court for failure to exercise personal responsibility?




Inbred Cracker: Save the $300. Whatever the lawyer comes up is worthless
and
generally invalid.

Answer:*That must be the reason why you see so many RV's, Skybolts, and
Lancairs
for sale in Trade-a-Plane.

*Now put the minutiae where your mouth is. Give examples. Elucidate,
elaborate, and enlarge on these unconstrained remarks.

[You will notice that he didn't elaborate or give examples; he went on a
trailer trash tirade.]


Inbred Cracker: Can you get the buyer's kids, wife, mother, father
and down to the cousin thrice removed to sign it?

Answer: *A married seller's ma and pa are not his heirs at law. Nor his
cousins,
but maybe your cousins are your brothers and sisters?

*I knew where there was a case against a seller, but they didn't file it
because property was in his name with his wife. Sorry to disappoint you.


Inbred Cracker: They're the ones
that are going to sue if the buyer takes a dirt nap.

Answer: *Cute understatement from a frustrated overstater, but no. A suit
might be
filed if the defendant is wealthy. But then when is the last one we've
heard of since John Denver's mama sued over that defective fuel valve? Don
't bring up the kook in Florida. His case was an aberration by a freak.
[.]

"Splat!" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Add $300 to the purchase price,
and use that to pay the aviation lawyer to handle the sale,
and protect your uncle's ass.

But poor you !
You have unwittingly posted a picture to this NG,
and will probably be scolded by Ronny !

Splat!
"Franklin Breeden" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I have an uncle who worked for North American Rockwell for almost 50
years. In the early 70s he build a gyrocopter, picture attached, and
over the years flew it for 1500 hours. He was an instructor in it and
president of a gyro club in the LAX area. Anyway, he is now 80 and in
failing health. I saw him and the gyrocopter last month while visiting
in Carson City, NV. The issue is he would like to sell the machine but
is concerned about liability. Aircraft and auto companies are always
getting sued about design flaws. Since he built this machine himself he
is concerned that his estate could be lost in a law suit. As you can
see, the machine has an N number as an experimental aircraft. One FAA
guy said that since it is experimental there should be no liability for
him. Other FAA guys have no idea. My uncle has drafted a letter for a
buyer to sign releasing my uncle of all liability and requiring the
buyer to agree to obtain training in gyros.

As I see it, if a buyer signs the agreement it should be valid. I
realize this is really a legal question. The only other option is to
disassemble the machine, unregistered it, and let the buyer reassemble
and register it. Would anyone have any thoughts about this matter or
possibly other recommendations?
--

  #6  
Old October 21st 03, 02:08 PM
Larry Smith
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"Ken Sandyeggo" wrote in message
om...
"Larry Smith" wrote in message

tripe.

Hey ass-wipe. I forget. How come you didn't finish law school? Or
were you disbarred? Maybe you ran out of stamps to send your lessons
in. I didn't think mail-order degrees were accepted anymore. Let me
know in another e-mail so I can clear it up.


I won't let you reframe the issue. The issue is that a poster wanted to
know about selling a homebuilt gyro and you deceived him with false claims
about liability and the heirs of an accident victim who had standing to sue.
I called your hand and you then exploded in a series of trailer trash ad
hominems. Why can't you answer the question? Why do so many homebuilders
successfully sell their aircraft? Why does TAP have a large section of
experimentals, including whirlygigs like yours, for sale? It's because the
risk is reasonable and worthwhile, and the paranoia comes from, well,
paranoids.

Now if you want to go where you think you might find a chink, go right
ahead, but you are warned. My bar status is publicly available. My state,
North Carolina, even has an 800 number for inquiries for little trolls like
you who cannot afford a toll.


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Old October 21st 03, 04:40 PM
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:08:12 -0400, "Larry Smith"
wrote:

:
:"Ken Sandyeggo" wrote in message
. com...
: "Larry Smith" wrote in message
tripe.
:
: Hey ass-wipe. I forget. How come you didn't finish law school? Or
: were you disbarred? Maybe you ran out of stamps to send your lessons
: in. I didn't think mail-order degrees were accepted anymore. Let me
: know in another e-mail so I can clear it up.
:
:I won't let you reframe the issue. The issue is that a poster wanted to
:know about selling a homebuilt gyro and you deceived him with false claims
:about liability and the heirs of an accident victim who had standing to sue.
:I called your hand and you then exploded in a series of trailer trash ad
:hominems. Why can't you answer the question? Why do so many homebuilders
:successfully sell their aircraft? Why does TAP have a large section of
:experimentals, including whirlygigs like yours, for sale? It's because the
:risk is reasonable and worthwhile, and the paranoia comes from, well,
aranoids.
:
:Now if you want to go where you think you might find a chink, go right
:ahead, but you are warned. My bar status is publicly available. My state,
:North Carolina, even has an 800 number for inquiries for little trolls like
:you who cannot afford a toll.

Yes, your bar status is available. I note you don't say that you're a
member...
==========================
http://www.martindale.com/xp/Martindale/home.xml

Your search for Lawyers, named L Smith, in North Carolina, United
States of America found 8 listings

Page 1 of 1:

1 Archie L. Smith, Jr.
Smith & Alexander, L.L.P., Asheboro, North Carolina, (Randolph Co.)

2 Kristin L. Smith
Dozier, Miller, Pollard & Murphy, LLP, Cameron Brown Building, 301
South McDowell Street, Suite 700, Charlotte, North Carolina 28204,
(Mecklenburg Co.)
Practice Area: Domestic Relations; Civil Litigation

3 Stephen L. Smith
Horack, Talley, Pharr & Lowndes, A Professional Association, 2600 One
Wachovia Center, 301 South College Street, Charlotte, North Carolina
28202-6038, (Mecklenburg Co.)
Practice Area: Taxation; Estate and Gift Taxation; Trusts and Estates;
Corporations; Estate Administration; Estate Planning; Trust
Administration; Trust Planning; Closely Held Business Law

4 Archie L. Smith, III
Durham, North Carolina, (Durham Co.)

5 Jeffrey L. Smith
Jefferson-Pilot Corporation and Subsidiaries (Legal Department),
Greensboro, North Carolina, (Guilford Co.)

6 Donald L. Smith
Raleigh, North Carolina, (Wake Co.)

7 Aimee L. Smith
Craige Brawley Liipfert & Walker LLP, 500 West Fourth Street, Suite
200, P.O. Box 1666, Winston-Salem, North Carolina 27102-1666, (Forsyth
Co.)
Practice Area: Elder Law; Estate Planning

8 Greg L. Smith
Womble Carlyle Sandridge & Rice, One West Fourth Street,
Winston-Salem, North Carolina 27101, (Forsyth Co.)
Practice Area: Health Care; Taxation; Partnerships, S Corporations;
Limited Liability Companies; Real Estate Development; Syndications
Law; International Law

========================

A search for Larry, Laurence or Lawrence Smith shows none in North
Carolina.



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Old October 21st 03, 08:20 PM
JACKhole
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Its Jerry Callow, Not Jerry Gallow!!!!


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Old October 21st 03, 08:20 PM
JACKhole
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Its Jerry Callow, Not Jerry Gallow!!!!



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Old October 21st 03, 10:57 PM
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"Larry Smith" wrote in message ...
Now, git, troll.

Here's the thread that got the lying inbred cracker dripping:


Blah-blah-blah-blah-blah and more cowardly evading.

O.K., ass-wipe, how's this? On the liability issue that you think is
the main gist of this discussion....I was mistaken, I was wrong, you
were right 345%. I screwed up, I had it all wrong and you had it
absolutely perfectly correct. Now that I replied to your question at
hand and this topic is all settled, answer the other topic that is
still unsettled. When did I live in Santee and when was I ever a
defendant in court as you posted? Let's go punk, the other issue is
settled and this is the only one remaining. You can't divert to that
issue anymore as you've futily been doing. Do you have the balls to
admit you lied as I admitted I was wrong....I think....or are you
going to continue to evade the issue? What the hell kind of a
man....make that suspected male....are you that would read my
challenge and not do anything about it? Again, I'm calling you out
and calling you a lying punk and you're just going to ignore it and
not reply to the challenge? If it's true, say it again and show your
documentation, asshole. I'm holding off on quoting from that
pathetic, whimpering, apologetic e-mail you sent me, but if you don't
answer, I may be forced to post it verbatim, even the part about the
sexual experimentations.






1 Splat! Sep 24, 2003
\-2 Ken Sandyeggo Sep 24, 2003
\-3 Larry Smith Sep 29, 2003
\-4 Ken Sandyeggo Sep 30, 2003
|-5 Barnyard BOb -- Oct 1, 2003
\-6 Larry Smith Oct 1, 2003




And here, his lies are exposed, making him vewy angwy.

From: Larry Smith )
Subject: Liability after sale
View: Complete Thread (7 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.homebuilt
Date: 2003-09-29 09:23:56 PST


Hyperbole, lawyerphobia, invective, and hysterical spewage: Kenny, did
you get tagged in court for failure to exercise personal responsibility?




Inbred Cracker: Save the $300. Whatever the lawyer comes up is worthless
and
generally invalid.

Answer:*That must be the reason why you see so many RV's, Skybolts, and
Lancairs
for sale in Trade-a-Plane.

*Now put the minutiae where your mouth is. Give examples. Elucidate,
elaborate, and enlarge on these unconstrained remarks.

[You will notice that he didn't elaborate or give examples; he went on a
trailer trash tirade.]


Inbred Cracker: Can you get the buyer's kids, wife, mother, father
and down to the cousin thrice removed to sign it?

Answer: *A married seller's ma and pa are not his heirs at law. Nor his
cousins,
but maybe your cousins are your brothers and sisters?

*I knew where there was a case against a seller, but they didn't file it
because property was in his name with his wife. Sorry to disappoint you.


Inbred Cracker: They're the ones
that are going to sue if the buyer takes a dirt nap.

Answer: *Cute understatement from a frustrated overstater, but no. A suit
might be
filed if the defendant is wealthy. But then when is the last one we've
heard of since John Denver's mama sued over that defective fuel valve? Don
't bring up the kook in Florida. His case was an aberration by a freak.
[.]

"Splat!" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Add $300 to the purchase price,
and use that to pay the aviation lawyer to handle the sale,
and protect your uncle's ass.

But poor you !
You have unwittingly posted a picture to this NG,
and will probably be scolded by Ronny !

Splat!
"Franklin Breeden" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I have an uncle who worked for North American Rockwell for almost 50
years. In the early 70s he build a gyrocopter, picture attached, and
over the years flew it for 1500 hours. He was an instructor in it and
president of a gyro club in the LAX area. Anyway, he is now 80 and in
failing health. I saw him and the gyrocopter last month while visiting
in Carson City, NV. The issue is he would like to sell the machine but
is concerned about liability. Aircraft and auto companies are always
getting sued about design flaws. Since he built this machine himself he
is concerned that his estate could be lost in a law suit. As you can
see, the machine has an N number as an experimental aircraft. One FAA
guy said that since it is experimental there should be no liability for
him. Other FAA guys have no idea. My uncle has drafted a letter for a
buyer to sign releasing my uncle of all liability and requiring the
buyer to agree to obtain training in gyros.

As I see it, if a buyer signs the agreement it should be valid. I
realize this is really a legal question. The only other option is to
disassemble the machine, unregistered it, and let the buyer reassemble
and register it. Would anyone have any thoughts about this matter or
possibly other recommendations?
--

 




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