Preliminary planning for AK flight

wrote:
: Whoa! No holes over the mountains for me. With the pass socked in
: and Skagway reporting 1,500 ft. ceilings, I'd just overfly Skagway out
: into the channel until I found a nice sized hole over the water. Then
: just duck under and fly back. I always found one, but the backup plan

That's what I meant... the hole would have to be big enough over the water, and the
wind slow enough to know you could circle through it before the hole drifted into the side of
the channel (and into a mountain).

-Cory


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I followed the highway from BC.

The Highway is one way to go to Fairbanks, although the Cassiar
Highway is more spectacular if the wx is good.

We rented a car in Whitehorse and drove down to Skagway. A good way
to do it.

vince norris

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Alaska regs no longer require you to carry a firearm, but they highly
recommend it (as do I). I took a 12-gauge with slugs.

Hmm, never hunted brown bear, but my gut instinct is that I'd go with
buckshot in that use case. I'd much rather hit Yogi with one pellet of 00
than whizz a slug right past him. Maybe load a slug or two first and then
2-3 rounds of 00 and hope you never need them.

If you're talking real survival you might want to carry a box of birdshot
too to use for hunting. Hit anything smaller than a deer with a 12ga slug
and there isn't going to be much meat left.

-cwk.

Colin W Kingsbury wrote:

wrote in message
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Alaska regs no longer require you to carry a firearm, but they highly
recommend it (as do I). I took a 12-gauge with slugs.


Hmm, never hunted brown bear, but my gut instinct is that I'd go with
buckshot in that use case. I'd much rather hit Yogi with one pellet of 00
than whizz a slug right past him. Maybe load a slug or two first and then
2-3 rounds of 00 and hope you never need them.

An 00 pellet would just make a brown bear really mad. I'd definitely
stick with the slugs. Personally, I'd prefer a .338 Win Mag or larger,
but a slug at close range would like be effective.


If you're talking real survival you might want to carry a box of birdshot
too to use for hunting. Hit anything smaller than a deer with a 12ga slug
and there isn't going to be much meat left.

Yes, that is one advantage of a scattergun ... you can carry a variety
of ammo. Personally, I'd probably be just as happy with my Super
Blackhawk. It is much more compact than a shotgun and you can get shot
loads for the .44 Mag as well that are adequate for small game.

The .44 is marginal for bear, but better than a stick!

Matt

Colin W Kingsbury wrote:

Hmm, never hunted brown bear, but my gut instinct is that I'd go with
buckshot in that use case. I'd much rather hit Yogi with one pellet of 00
than whizz a slug right past him. Maybe load a slug or two first and then
2-3 rounds of 00 and hope you never need them.

I did a photo trip with L.L. Rue once, and he described going after bears in
Alaska. He said the outfit that flew them in provided them with short shotguns
for defense. IIRC, he said the first two shells were buckshot and the last was a
slug.

He and his son were trying to get in a good position, and one of the bears
started heading for his son. He said that after the bear moved off, he didn't
know until the film was processed whether he had reached for the camera or the
shotgun (turned out it was the camera). His son didn't seem to be real pleased
with that story.

George Patterson
I prefer Heaven for climate but Hell for company.

I've been up to Alaska and back twice in my Husky, as well as two trips
to Canada.
There are usually tailwinds up the coast and tail winds down the Alaska
highway, or the more more scenic but less historical Cassiar highway
(through Smithers). The coast in the summer is doable, but cloudier
than inland. There really is no way to know where the best weather
would be. I would fly where the good weather is. Any and all of the
routes are doable in a small airplane, though the Coast route does not
follow a highway. There are three highways connecting the inland to the
coast, all are mountainous.

Canada permits longguns, essentially no pistols. There is a $50
Canadian fee and you have to declare them. Although there is a rather
outdated, almost never enforced rule that you have a radio permit, if
you doon't have one, don't bother. No one asks. I'd recommend carrying
some food and survival gear, though it is not mandatory. Pistols are ok
in a plane in Alaska but how are you going to get it there? No
concealed carry on your person without permits in Alaska. Basically if
you bring a gun, a shotgun makes the most sense and is the most
politically correct. I've haven't been bothering, never have needed
one.

To cross the border, file a US flightplan and call Canadian Customs. It
is easier to clear Customs at an airport that is not major, but is
still big enough to have a full time Customs officer, so he doesn't
have to drive in. Better to be a little late than early with your
arrival. Flight plans are pretty much mandatory in Canada.

Sporty's or some similar place sells charts, and you need the Canadian
equivalent to the US Airport Facilities book. I used WACs and my
updated GPS. Flying under Canadian rules is not a problem, there are
some differences but not much.

Go ahead and plan your flight, but be prepared to change your plans
because one route can be weathered in and the other routes still
flyable.

The coast route is the most scenic and adventurous especially if you
fly over the mountains to get there from inland. The Cassiar highway is
more scenic than the Alaskan highway, but the Alaskan highway is more
"historically interesting". But all three routes are doable, along
with various combinations, though the coastal route is over water for
at least some of the trip. You are going to have to fly over some water
to get to Juneau, so you will be exposed to water anyway (unless you
come in HIGH right over the mountain wilderness from the east, no road
to follow and some of the MOST remote terrain I've ever seen). There is
no road that connects Juneau to ANYWHERE. When you fly the coast you
are usually flying over water but near land. This is true for the
entire route. If you go to the coast count on getting weathered in for
a day or two somewhere. Statistically July 4th is th clearest weather,
certainly is the warment week of the year and has looong days.

The trip is certainly doable. Get your aircraft in the best shape you
can, buy the charts, update your GPS and go. It is a fantastic trip!

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:23:22 -0500, Matt Whiting
wrote:
An 00 pellet would just make a brown bear really mad.

That was my reaction, too.

Personally, I'd probably be just as happy with my Super Blackhawk.

I have one of those, too, that I've used for deer hunting, but I took
a 12 ga. pump and slugs on my Alaska trips. Handguns are forbidden in
Canada; but I'd have carried the shotgun in any case.

A fellow I know hunts bears (successfully) here in PA with a .44, but
our bears aren't grizzlies. Besides, he was a member of the USMC
pistol team. (I wasn't.)

you can get shot loads for the .44 Mag as well that are adequate for small game.

I have no evidence, but I'd guess that's an extremely short-range
weapon.

vince norris

I'd recommend carrying some food and survival gear, though it is not mandatory.

Is that a recent change? A booklet I obtained from Transport Canada
before my first trip to Alaska had a list of *required* survival gear.
It included 10,000 calories per person, fishing gear, mosquito
netting, sleeping bag, flares, and a number of other items.

if you bring a gun, a shotgun makes the most sense and is the most
politically correct. I've haven't been bothering

IIRC, a gun is *required* in Alaska. Has that changed? My last trip
there was about six years ago.

Flight plans are pretty much mandatory in Canada.

There is (or was) a loophole: As an alternative to a flight plan, you
can "notify a reponsible adult" of your plans. On our trips we had
several airplanes, so the pilot of one plane "notified" the pilot of
another plane, etc.

vince norris

The guides up there all carry 12ga slug guns.

Mike
MU-2


"Colin W Kingsbury" wrote in message
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wrote in message
ups.com...

Alaska regs no longer require you to carry a firearm, but they highly
recommend it (as do I). I took a 12-gauge with slugs.

Hmm, never hunted brown bear, but my gut instinct is that I'd go with
buckshot in that use case. I'd much rather hit Yogi with one pellet of 00
than whizz a slug right past him. Maybe load a slug or two first and then
2-3 rounds of 00 and hope you never need them.

If you're talking real survival you might want to carry a box of birdshot
too to use for hunting. Hit anything smaller than a deer with a 12ga slug
and there isn't going to be much meat left.

-cwk.

"vincent p. norris" wrote in message
...
I'd recommend carrying some food and survival gear, though it is not
mandatory.

Is that a recent change? A booklet I obtained from Transport Canada
before my first trip to Alaska had a list of *required* survival gear.
It included 10,000 calories per person, fishing gear, mosquito
netting, sleeping bag, flares, and a number of other items.

Such particulars are no doubt a good idea, but the regulations are not this
specific. The regulations requi

: 602.61 ... no person shall operate an aircraft over
: land unless there is carried on board survival equipment, sufficient for
: the survival on the ground of each person on board, given the
: geographical area, the season of the year and anticipated seasonal
: climatic variations, that provides the means for
: (a) starting a fire;
: (b) providing shelter;
: (c) providing or purifying water; and
: (d) visually signalling distress.

There are of course reasonable requirements for flights over water
as well.

...
Flight plans are pretty much mandatory in Canada.

There is (or was) a loophole: As an alternative to a flight plan, you
can "notify a reponsible adult" of your plans. On our trips we had
several airplanes, so the pilot of one plane "notified" the pilot of
another plane, etc.

Not a loophole. An alternative. The VFR alternative to a VFR
Flight Plan is a Flight Itinerary. One or the other is required for
any flight more than 25 nm from the departure aerodrome, except
that a Flight *Plan* is required for flights between Canada and a
foreign state. A flight *Itinerary* can be filed formally
with FSS/tower etc., or with a responsible person. A responsible
person is "an individual who has agreed with the person who has
filed a flight itinerary to ensure that the following are notified in
the manner prescribed in this Division, if the aircraft is overdue,
namely, (a) an air traffic control unit, a flight service station or a
community aerodrome radio station, or (b) a Rescue Co-ordination
Centre."

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Re...602.htm#602_73