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Charles Talleyrand wrote:
P.S. Anti-French jokes stopped being funny after the first few hundred. Just what made you think they were jokes? -- Jim carry on ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Your stuborness...
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"Thomas Schoene" wrote in message .net... Skysurfer wrote: Charles Talleyrand wrote : I understand that the order to Dassault is for 28 aircraft, with an option of 20 more. However, I have read on the web that Dassault is to deliver 1 Rafale this year, and only 4 next year. I have also read that there are only 13 operational Rafales with the French Military. Well, it has announced plans to order this many. However, actual orders are 120 thus far, plus 76 fairly firm projected orders in the 2003-08 budget plan, for a total of about 200. The additional 100 will come after 2008, and are obviously rather speculative. Yes, but the verty slow rate of delivery makes me wonder about the program. They will have delivered 18 Rafales in the eight years between 1997 and 2005. That's only 2.25 aircraft per year. Sure, they plan to ramp up production. But their original plans never said 18 aircraft in 8 years, so I have doubts about the current plans to. Can anyone comment on this? http://www.awgnet.com/shownews/03paris/topstor02.htm -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed) |
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Those aditionnal 100 are not so speculative.
"Thomas Schoene" a écrit dans le message de news: . .. Skysurfer wrote: Charles Talleyrand wrote : I understand that the order to Dassault is for 28 aircraft, with an option of 20 more. However, I have read on the web that Dassault is to deliver 1 Rafale this year, and only 4 next year. I have also read that there are only 13 operational Rafales with the French Military. I think the french govt has ordered about 300 Rafale. Well, it has announced plans to order this many. However, actual orders are 120 thus far, plus 76 fairly firm projected orders in the 2003-08 budget plan, for a total of about 200. The additional 100 will come after 2008, and are obviously rather speculative. http://www.awgnet.com/shownews/03paris/topstor02.htm -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed) |
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Is F.22 dead?If you're not american,no one cares...
Is "Dreamliner" (pfff!what a name!) dead?If you'are not american,no one cares... Is LCA dead?If you're not indian,no one cares.... Is Su.35 dead,if you're not russian,no one cares... With such a logic,why not to make a newsgroup for each country,where one can speak about planes from its own country,and only about those... "J" a écrit dans le message de news: . .. If your not french, no one cares. |
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mmaq- Is F.22 dead?If you're not american,no one cares BRBR
It's not quite dead, The JSF would not exist w/o it, which is a more probable french CV A/C than the rafale... P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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Sure, they plan to ramp up production. But their original plans never said 18 aircraft in 8 years, so I have doubts about the current plans to. Can anyone comment on this? Production line is ready to assemble about 10 aircrafts a year, but Dassault respects the gov plan by staging costs (hence the higher costs per aircraft... : a traditional french budget problem....) : it's only a defense budget issue. On this page you can see the deliveries calendar to the French Navy : http://frenchnavy.free.fr/aircraft/rafale/rafale_fr.htm ("Calendrier des livraisons (1999-2012)") |
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IS the Rafale dead? Nobody answered the question.
BTW the US armed forces, with the exception of the Navy, didn't have anything to fight with in 1941, let alone 1939. Look it up. Walt BJ |
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Most of the "wise cracks" about the U.S. position vis-a-vis the world in the
late '30s demonstrate a remarkable combination of arrogance and ignorance. For most American opinion makers the experiences of U.S. participation in WWI were less than satisfactory. The monumental ineptitude of French and British commanders was memorialized in a series of post-War flicks (such as "All Quiet on the Western Front"). The writing of men like Hemmingway had stripped the glory from war. The general attitude was if the foolish Europeans want to slaughter each other in vast numbers, God bless 'em. It was clear to the U.S. administration that war in Europe was inevitable and that U.S. interests would demand U.S. participation. Given the general population's feelings, any governmental action (particularly during Depression era times) had to be considered. Actions there were. In fact, every major U.S. combat aircraft of WWII was conceived and the prototypes at least on the drawing board by the end of 1940. That year also saw the passage of the first peacetime draft in U.S. history, the Two Ocean Navy Act, and Lend-Lease. A very late start in the deveopment of armored vehicles and doctrine was being addressed. The foundations of the Arsenal of Democracy were being laid. The Japanese ended American political divisions on "the war question." Bill Kambic If, by any act, error, or omission, I have, intentionally or unintentionally, displayed any breedist, disciplinist, sexist, racist, culturalist, nationalist, regionalist, localist, ageist, lookist, ableist, sizeist, speciesist, intellectualist, socioeconomicist, ethnocentrist, phallocentrist, heteropatriarchalist, or other violation of the rules of political correctness, known or unknown, I am not sorry and I encourage you to get over it. "WaltBJ" wrote in message om... IS the Rafale dead? Nobody answered the question. BTW the US armed forces, with the exception of the Navy, didn't have anything to fight with in 1941, let alone 1939. Look it up. Walt BJ |
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"WaltBJ" wrote IS the Rafale dead? Nobody answered the question. BTW the US armed forces, with the exception of the Navy, didn't have anything to fight with in 1941, let alone 1939. Look it up. It's not dead but it is very ill, for lack of foreign military sales. France alone can't manage Rafale procurement at a rate that would give them a viable force in reasonable time, not when she is funding the A400M, a new carrier, procurement of the fourth Triomphant.. All those things are also in competition with social security funding as the French population ages. |
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