IDAHO FATALITY

On Aug 25, 5:47*am, BobW wrote:
On 8/23/2011 9:11 PM, Bruce Hoult wrote:
You have several times now ignored the possibility of training how to
do a low pass with an instructor on board, just like any other gliding
maneuver.

Uhh...of *course* it's a (theoretical only?) possibility. Are their sites in
NZ where folks could travel to do this? I'm unaware of any in the U.S. that
advertise zoomie instruction is part of their standard offerings.

We had some problems with our airfield owners a couple of years ago
about low passes. I was on the committee at the time and the club
president and CFI made representations to the airfield owners that
competition finishes were a standard maneuver that should be trained
for and practiced for proficiency just like any other.

As I understand it, we have agreed to ask our pilots not to practice
them at our home field, which has several powered aircraft flying
schools and (until very recently) a helicopter school, but they are
certainly practiced at away camps.

I'm sure that any of the operators at Omarama would be happy to teach
you to do competition finishes safely.

Martin Gregorie wrote.........
In UK high speed low finishes were banned after a photographer on the
airfield boundary was killed,

US Rules Committee please take note.
JJ

On 25/08/2011 03:47, BobW wrote:
On 8/23/2011 9:11 PM, Bruce Hoult wrote:
On Aug 24, 12:42 pm, wrote:
...
You have several times now ignored the possibility of training how to
do a low pass with an instructor on board, just like any other gliding
maneuver.

Uhh...of *course* it's a (theoretical only?) possibility. Are their
sites in NZ where folks could travel to do this? I'm unaware of any in
the U.S. that advertise zoomie instruction is part of their standard
offerings.

Well, come out to Oz. Glider pilots need an instructor's signature in
their log book before they can do a competition low finish and most
reasonable sized clubs will provide the briefing and flight instruction
needed to allow your proficiency to be certified.

If you have the signature, you'll probably have to demonstrate you're
still proficient during your annual check ride(s).

GC

Regards,
Bob W.

On 8/25/2011 6:12 AM, JJ Sinclair wrote:

Martin Gregorie wrote.........
In UK high speed low finishes were banned after a photographer on the
airfield boundary was killed,

US Rules Committee please take note.
JJ

I don't know if they have banned low passes, but the accident was not
the result of a low pass, but a low energy finish where the glider had
to pull up to clear a fence.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

Wrong accident Eric.

On 8/25/2011 7:40 AM, GC wrote:
On 25/08/2011 03:47, BobW wrote:
On 8/23/2011 9:11 PM, Bruce Hoult wrote:
On Aug 24, 12:42 pm, wrote:
...
You have several times now ignored the possibility of training how to
do a low pass with an instructor on board, just like any other gliding
maneuver.

Uhh...of *course* it's a (theoretical only?) possibility. Are there
sites in NZ where folks could travel to do this? I'm unaware of any in
the U.S. that advertise zoomie instruction is part of their standard
offerings.

Well, come out to Oz. Glider pilots need an instructor's signature in their
log book before they can do a competition low finish and most reasonable sized
clubs will provide the briefing and flight instruction needed to allow your
proficiency to be certified.

If you have the signature, you'll probably have to demonstrate you're still
proficient during your annual check ride(s).

GC

How about that, zoomie fans?!? And good on whomever the controlling entity
mandating this, in this setting, is.

Thanks for the (usable!) info, GC.

Regards,
Bob W.

On Aug 25, 10:12*am, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/25/2011 6:12 AM, JJ Sinclair wrote:



Martin Gregorie wrote.........
In UK high speed low finishes were banned after a photographer on the
airfield boundary was killed,

US Rules Committee please take note.
JJ

I don't know if they have banned low passes, but the accident was not
the result of a low pass, but a low energy finish where the glider had
to pull up to clear a fence.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

No it wasn't a low energy finish. The photographer was in radio
contact with the glider and urging him to get "lower, lower" in order
to get a better picture. The photographer was standing on top of his
car behind a row of bushes.This had been going on all week and ended
when the lad flew right into the guy. The low finishes were in a
contest. The above post clearly states that "high speed low finishes
were banned in the UK." The line finish is still in the US Rules and I
believe it gives legitimacy to the low finishes (aka buzz jobs) that
keep on showing up in accident reports.
JJ

How about that, zoomie fans?!? And good on whomever the controlling entity
mandating this, in this setting, is.

Thanks for the (usable!) info, GC.

Regards,
Bob W.

I think it's a great idea.

Along with more training on gaggle flying, XC flying, etc.

Of course, that would require that US instructors actually have some
gaggle, XC, high performance experience and training themselves.

Unfortunately, that is somewhat rare in the US (with many notable
exceptions, of course).

How about mandating Silver badge as a prereq for a CFIG rating - kinda
like a CFI has to have an instrument rating...

Kirk
66

On Aug 25, 12:42*pm, "kirk.stant" wrote:
How about that, zoomie fans?!? And good on whomever the controlling entity
mandating this, in this setting, is.

Thanks for the (usable!) info, GC.

Regards,
Bob W.

I think it's a great idea.

Along with more training on gaggle flying, XC flying, etc.

Of course, that would require that US instructors actually have some
gaggle, XC, high performance experience and training themselves.

Unfortunately, that is somewhat rare in the US (with many notable
exceptions, of course).

How about mandating Silver badge as a prereq for a CFIG rating - kinda
like a CFI has to have an instrument rating...

Kirk
66

i thought the standard RAS CFI pre-req was a gold badge. I finally
qualified late last season.

On 8/25/2011 10:39 AM, JJ Sinclair wrote:
On Aug 25, 10:12 am, Eric wrote:
On 8/25/2011 6:12 AM, JJ Sinclair wrote:



Martin Gregorie wrote.........
In UK high speed low finishes were banned after a photographer on the
airfield boundary was killed,

US Rules Committee please take note.
JJ

I don't know if they have banned low passes, but the accident was not
the result of a low pass, but a low energy finish where the glider had
to pull up to clear a fence.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

No it wasn't a low energy finish. The photographer was in radio
contact with the glider and urging him to get "lower, lower" in order
to get a better picture. The photographer was standing on top of his
car behind a row of bushes.This had been going on all week and ended
when the lad flew right into the guy. The low finishes were in a
contest. The above post clearly states that "high speed low finishes
were banned in the UK." The line finish is still in the US Rules and I
believe it gives legitimacy to the low finishes (aka buzz jobs) that
keep on showing up in accident reports.

I remember the incident, but did not know the photographer was in
contact with the glider, or that it was at high speed.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)