FDR and Bush 43

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Germans and Italian residents were also detained. Ellis Island even became a
detention camp.

Right. Not much attention is paid to it, but it was pretty serious business.
Many Italian fishermen, for example, people who had emigrated to the US decades
before Pearl Harbor, lost their livelihoods because they weren't allowed near
ports.


Chris Mark

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Bear in mind who was making the arrests: the FBI
under J. Edgar "like my dress?" Hoover.

To be fair to J. Edgar, he insisted that the majority of Issei, Nisei and Kibei
would prove to be loyal in the fight with Japan. If there were spies and
sabateurs among them, the FBI could ferret them out through normal
investigations.
The biggest advocates of the mass round-up of Japanese was Earl Warren, then
California state attorney general who went around making inflamatory speeches
charging that the Japanese residents of California were a nest of saboteurs
and traitors. He used the hysteria he whipped up to ride into the governorship
in the 1942 election.


Chris Mark

"WalterM140" wrote in message
...
Let's compare and contrast here, shall we?

Three years after the attack on Pearl Harbor, FDR has the Germans and
Japanese
by the throat.

Three years after 9/11, Bush 43 allows Al Qaeda to murder American
civilians
at will.

Walt

In 1944, sir, how many Americans died? I would suppose that for Normandy
alone, it is far higher. When Kamikazes hit US ships, and when Nazis shot US
POWs, was that FDR allowing them to do it at will for kicks? Stop trolling.

DEP

"Chris Mark" wrote in message
...

Roosevelt also threw Japanese residents into detention camps by the tens
of
thousands. Imagine if Bush 43 tried to do that with Muslims.


Japanese residents? He interned Japanese, Italian and German foreign
nationals. Which is fine, every nation does that. But he also detained
American citizens of Japanese, Italian, and German descent.

"Thomas Schoene" wrote in message
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German-American and Italian-American citizens of the United States were
not
interned en masse; Japanese-American citizens were.


Not true. While it was not as wide spread and is not nearly as well known
as
the incarceration of Japanese-Americans, there were Americans of Italian and
German descent that received similar treatment.

That didn't help the ones sent to Auschwitz.

Were those men killed?

Some died there. Many were rescued by the German air force. Some were
rescued by the German air force only to die later on the death marches
of April 1945.

The case I know of was not a Jew. He was caught by the Gestapo while
on the run in France (not an escapee but a downed airman) and was sent
by the usual cattle car to the east. He didn't specify whether any of
the Americans he fell in with at Auswitz were Jews, but then he
wouldn't have; that was the least important thing about them at that
point.

You don't have to die to be brutalized beyond imagination, as any
survivor of Auschwitz (and there were many) can testify, or any
survivor of a Japanese camp.

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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:36:31 GMT, "Thomas Schoene"
wrote:

German-American and Italian-American citizens of the United States were not
interned en masse; Japanese-American citizens were.

If you are the person interned, it makes very little difference if you
were singled out or interned en masse. Indeed, it's probably worse if
you were singled out.

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On 21 Jun 2004 01:02:25 GMT, ost (Chris Mark) wrote:

To be fair to J. Edgar, he insisted that the majority of Issei, Nisei and Kibei
would prove to be loyal in the fight with Japan. If there were spies and
sabateurs among them, the FBI could ferret them out through normal
investigations.

Yes, this appears to be the case. It's told in Persico's Roosevelt's
Secret War, a sober and interesting book..

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Right. Not much attention is paid to it, but it was pretty serious business.
Many Italian fishermen, for example, people who had emigrated to the US decades
before Pearl Harbor, lost their livelihoods because they weren't allowed near
ports.

I lived in Concord MA during the war. In the 1940s it was a
truck-farming town, not a yuppie bedroom community. Many of the
farmers were Italian. One was so Italian that the boys were named
Primo, Secondo, and Tercero, if I spell them correctly. In the way of
boys, however, we were totally unaware that there was anything unusual
in this, and I don't recall that I ever associated them with the evil
Germans, Italians, and Japanese with whom the nation was at war.


all the best -- Dan Ford
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The situation in WW2 is not comparable to the situation
today.

It's comparable in that both FDR and Bush 43 faced one day events that
fundamentally changed the course of the country.

FDR mastered his challenge, Bush 43 is foundering.

This is from today's NY Times:

"Mr. Lehman also predicted that the commission's final report would include
unanimous recommendations for change in the intelligence services, which he
said could not distinguish "between a bicycle crash and a train wreck."

"It is dysfunctional," he said. "It needs fundamental change, not just tweaking
and moving the deck chairs or the organization boxes around."


I don't know if we can stand four more years of spinning our wheels in the war
on Terror.

Bush 43 is an incompetent arrogant elistist *******. It is time for him to go.

Walt