Thrown out of an FBO...

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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He has nowhere near enough data points to justify a comment describing
"all" charter pilots. Even the comment about whether they fill up the
tank in the car isn't supported, and I doubt he's got salary information
for enough charter pilots to even use up the fingers on one hand.

So freaking what? Is he running for governor or something? Last I checked,
he spent money doing a favor for the guy by filling up the tank. If the guy
couldn't handle a comment by way of explanation, too bad. If Jay -really-
wanted to hurt the guy he'd simply tell us the name of the FBO and tell
everybody how bad the service was there (without explaining the argument.)
AND, he could have not filled the gas.

There's no need for salary information to make a casual comment based on his
own observation.

Of course, avoiding a sweeping generalization in such a manner as that is
probably something that would never occur to Jay, just as it still has not
occurred to him that he contributed to the situation somehow.

Again, so freaking what? I guess we better not make any lawyer jokes, used
car salesmen references, trash-talk politicians, or state our opinions of
media types because somebody who works with them might be offended.

I'm a system administrator. I deal with people all day long who have been
given the shaft by other system administrators or network types. When a
customer refers to some OTHER administrator as a net-geek, propellerhead,
etc, I damned well better not throw a fit, call the guy names and kick him
off the network (that's reserved for the spammers and frauds, which I get to
kick with total impugnity.)

-c

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...
Is it trolling when the reaction is always the same?

It is trolling when you post *because* you know the reaction is always the
same. Which is exactly what you said you did.

[...]
Sometimes I swear Mike, Pete and Jose are simply Usenet AI programs,
set up to respond
with three specific responses that are triggered by any given stimuli.

The precise same thing could be said about you. So what? I'd say most of
the people who post here have fairly predictable responses.

Pete

AES wrote:
In article .com,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:


4. What's a "gay married couple"?


Well, I'll take that one on, Jay, by asking in return -- and in
seriousness -- what's a "married couple"?

If the answer is, it's an essentially *legal* status, based on state or
Federal laws regulating marriage, then I'll want to know why it
shouldn't be available to gay as well as heterosexual couples. I'll be
glad to listen to arguments on all sides of that issue; but I'll only be
interested in or willing to hear arguments based on "civic" or "civil"
(as in civilian) factors -- married couples should get these tax breaks
or otherwise for the following "civic" reasons -- but *no religious
based arguments whatsoever*, because in a democracy I'm not willing to
have the laws that govern me be determined by anyone else's religious
beliefs.

If on the other hand it's an essentially *religion-based* status,
determined by whether or not some religion has in the eyes of God"
married this couple, well, then fine, no problem at all -- except that
that makes marriage an essentially private, personal religious matter,
which should have absolutely no legal standing or recognition *anywhere
in law, or in legal or civic matters* (any more than someone should get
a lowered bus fare or a tax deduction because they took Communion last
Sunday).

[Or, on the other hand, if you want to argue that married couples should
get these special legal rights because some church married them -- well,
you'd better be prepared for churches that are quite willing to marry
gay couples.]

It's amazing how political parties throw-up these wedge issues like gay
marriage or [Insert favorite stupid wedge issue here] that few in
mainstream America give a flip about. I could care less one way or
another about gay marriage. I'm not for or against, I just don't give
a sh#$. I think both the social conservative bible thumpers and the
liberal - head up there ass- progressives (fancy name for a socialist)
have managed to hijack the leadership of both the major political
parties in America. They are so way out of touch. Part of the problem
is Bush, Kerry, [Insert Candidate] all were born (or married to
someone) with silver spoons so far in the back of their mouths it
would take a crowbar to remove them. Why do we put up with these
people? The problem is they come from well off politically connected
families and go to select colleges where they get to know each other
and self select themselves for public office before they ever get out
of school. Most never have had a real job They don't represent
mainstream Americans at all. If there ever was a need for a new
moderate party/candidate to represent the middle class, or what's left
of it, it's now.

FlynCatfish

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...

Well he didn't say charter pilots never fill the tank, only when the tank
isn't filled, it is charter pilots.

You can equivocate about the meaning of his comment if you like. However,
to me it was pretty clear: charter pilots never fill the tank, and all
charter pilots are poorly paid.

He has no basis for making either claim.

You never trash-talk journalists, then, do you?

-c

"Morgans" wrote in message
...


Welcome to the "United States of the Offended."

What? We're France now?

*dives for the bunker*

-c

"Doug" wrote in message
oups.com...

Send the FBO a card with a message saying that sometimes things dont work
out the way they were intended and sorry to offend and no offense
taken. If the guy wont be ok with that, then there isnt anything else you
can do.

Who are you, Jesus? That's WAY too civilized.

-c
(and a fine idea, nonetheless.)

"Gene Seibel" wrote in message
oups.com...
Jay Honeck wrote:

We'll never know -- and we'll never be back. It's a shame -- with all
the problems facing GA, small-town airports simply can't afford to have
FBOs driving off what little business they have (we were the only plane
there) -- but for us there are literally hundreds of other airports to
visit, so it won't matter much.

Exactly what "business" did he drive off? Did you buy any avgas?

Well, now, Jay could be out here telling everybody what a great FBO it is.

For example, I recommend Gorge Winds Aviation in Troutdale, Oregon.
Excellent people, excellent rates, excellent service. If you're looking for
a rating, rental or training, I recommend Marv, Steve or Delcy.
Hopefully, their professional courtesy will be rewarded by my recommendation
to readers.

Jay's not extending that recommendation here, is he?

Also, Jay filled the tank. He didn't have to. Maybe in the future he
won't, especially if for some reason he has to return and the guy doesn't
remember him.

-c

"karl gruber" wrote in message
...

You were sarcastic, crass, and just like flying IFR, don't have a clue
about "charter pilots."


Meanwhile I have a lot more respect for Jay now than you. How did that come
about?

I suppose you get all frothy if somebody trash-talks AOL users too?

-c

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Newps wrote:

This isn't a racial issue. Charter pilots are from every demographic and
if the statement is true then it's true.

The point is that Jay hasn't seen every charter pilot out there. He's
seen a small sample, and possibly an unusually unrepresentative sample,
who nows? Making a sweeping generalization based on a small sample isn't
usually a good idea.

What's your opinion of the average Senator or state representative? HOW
DARE YOU STATE YOUR OPINION if you haven't met them all?

How many lawyers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

HOW DARE I?!

-c

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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I would say that makes him uniquely qualified to comment.

Well, I'd say from the results of his comments, your assertion is wrong.

Why? The "result?"

He got what he wanted. If I'm ever gonna go to that area, I might ask Jay
"Hey, who's that hotheaded jackass with the FBO that I should avoid?"

The result of his comment is that we're seeing what kinds of thin-skinned
assumptive primadonna PC speech police might crawl out of the woodwork the
next time somebody says something that might offend their precious
sensibilities.

Way to go, Jay. I hope to visit your establishment someday and if I'm in
the region this winter, I will! (I promise to put gas in the courtesy car.
; )

-c