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This is in response to threads on FLARM and Mirasol displays which I
think relate in a general way. If you back up 100 meters and think outside the box, we've been facing restricted panel space for a long time. FLARM is just the latest gadget but it may be the proverbial "straw". A solution has been found in the airplane community - glass cockpits. Old "steam gauges" display information very inefficiently. You just don't need an 80mm dial to display altitude when a simple 5 digit numeric display and/or tape can do it much better in a quarter the space. Imagine a panel-sized tablet computer with a Mirasol display running glider-specific "glass cockpit" software. Mount the tablet in a hinged frame so it can be raised and pushed forward to reveal a few standby "steam gauges" for use if the electronics go belly-up. Since the glass cockpit is merely software, it can be updated and tailored to any pilots desires. Instead of new gadgets, you add new software features. The display can change with a push of a stick mounted button to emphasize moving maps or whatever is important at the moment. Fortunately, the requisite "air-data" sensors are available to feed the computer. Of course, there will be strenuous objections but they'll be essentially the same ones heard in the airplane community before glass took over. |
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On Jan 31, 9:29*am, Bill D wrote:
This is in response to threads on FLARM and Mirasol displays which I think relate in a general way. If you back up 100 meters and think outside the box, we've been facing restricted panel space for a long time. *FLARM is just the latest gadget but it may be the proverbial "straw". A solution has been found in the airplane community - glass cockpits. Old "steam gauges" display information very inefficiently. *You just don't need an 80mm dial to display altitude when a simple 5 digit numeric display and/or tape can do it much better in a quarter the space. Imagine a panel-sized tablet computer with a Mirasol display running glider-specific "glass cockpit" software. *Mount the tablet in a hinged frame so it can be raised and pushed forward to reveal a few standby "steam gauges" for use if the electronics go belly-up. *Since the glass cockpit is merely software, it can be updated and tailored to any pilots desires. Instead of new gadgets, you add new software features. *The display can change with a push of a stick mounted button to emphasize moving maps or whatever is important at the moment. *Fortunately, the requisite "air-data" sensors are available to feed the computer. Of course, there will be strenuous objections but they'll be essentially the same ones heard in the airplane community before glass took over. Amen to that. I would like to have an integrated EFIS display with vario, speed, altimeter and a radio with transponder, etc. The installation process would be simplified. Do you supposed that if someone would approach Garmin would they create G500/600 Sailplane Edition? Jacek |
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almost all LX Navigation and LX Nav flight computers can already display
FLARM data right on their main display assuming that FLARM is approved then all of these should also be usable without having to add another portable unit on top of the glareshield or in front of an airspeed indicator that you may want to be able to see for some reason......of course with you have all the data on the glarshield there really isn't any reason to have to look outside anyway..... tim "Bill D" wrote in message ... This is in response to threads on FLARM and Mirasol displays which I think relate in a general way. If you back up 100 meters and think outside the box, we've been facing restricted panel space for a long time. FLARM is just the latest gadget but it may be the proverbial "straw". A solution has been found in the airplane community - glass cockpits. Old "steam gauges" display information very inefficiently. You just don't need an 80mm dial to display altitude when a simple 5 digit numeric display and/or tape can do it much better in a quarter the space. Imagine a panel-sized tablet computer with a Mirasol display running glider-specific "glass cockpit" software. Mount the tablet in a hinged frame so it can be raised and pushed forward to reveal a few standby "steam gauges" for use if the electronics go belly-up. Since the glass cockpit is merely software, it can be updated and tailored to any pilots desires. Instead of new gadgets, you add new software features. The display can change with a push of a stick mounted button to emphasize moving maps or whatever is important at the moment. Fortunately, the requisite "air-data" sensors are available to feed the computer. Of course, there will be strenuous objections but they'll be essentially the same ones heard in the airplane community before glass took over. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6844 (20120131) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6844 (20120131) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com |
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Tim,
Are they supporting US flarm frequencies now? They were only supporting European. Charlie On Jan 31, 2:46*pm, "Tim Mara" wrote: almost all LX Navigation and LX Nav flight computers can already display FLARM data right on their main display assuming that FLARM is approved then all of these should also be usable without having to add another portable unit on top of the glareshield or in front of an airspeed indicator that you may want to be able to see for some reason......of course with you have all the data on the glarshield there really isn't any reason to have to look outside anyway..... tim "Bill D" wrote in message ... This is in response to threads on FLARM and Mirasol displays which I think relate in a general way. If you back up 100 meters and think outside the box, we've been facing restricted panel space for a long time. *FLARM is just the latest gadget but it may be the proverbial "straw". A solution has been found in the airplane community - glass cockpits. Old "steam gauges" display information very inefficiently. *You just don't need an 80mm dial to display altitude when a simple 5 digit numeric display and/or tape can do it much better in a quarter the space. Imagine a panel-sized tablet computer with a Mirasol display running glider-specific "glass cockpit" software. *Mount the tablet in a hinged frame so it can be raised and pushed forward to reveal a few standby "steam gauges" for use if the electronics go belly-up. *Since the glass cockpit is merely software, it can be updated and tailored to any pilots desires. Instead of new gadgets, you add new software features. *The display can change with a push of a stick mounted button to emphasize moving maps or whatever is important at the moment. *Fortunately, the requisite "air-data" sensors are available to feed the computer. Of course, there will be strenuous objections but they'll be essentially the same ones heard in the airplane community before glass took over. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6844 (20120131) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6844 (20120131) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Charlie - Use a PowerFLARM to feed into the LX.
Do not use the LX version of FLARM in USA. Hope that's clear ! Best Regards, Dave "YO electric" |
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it's really more of an issue that the equipment has an FCC approval
tim "cfinn" wrote in message ... Tim, Are they supporting US flarm frequencies now? They were only supporting European. Charlie On Jan 31, 2:46 pm, "Tim Mara" wrote: almost all LX Navigation and LX Nav flight computers can already display FLARM data right on their main display assuming that FLARM is approved then all of these should also be usable without having to add another portable unit on top of the glareshield or in front of an airspeed indicator that you may want to be able to see for some reason......of course with you have all the data on the glarshield there really isn't any reason to have to look outside anyway..... tim "Bill D" wrote in message ... This is in response to threads on FLARM and Mirasol displays which I think relate in a general way. If you back up 100 meters and think outside the box, we've been facing restricted panel space for a long time. FLARM is just the latest gadget but it may be the proverbial "straw". A solution has been found in the airplane community - glass cockpits. Old "steam gauges" display information very inefficiently. You just don't need an 80mm dial to display altitude when a simple 5 digit numeric display and/or tape can do it much better in a quarter the space. Imagine a panel-sized tablet computer with a Mirasol display running glider-specific "glass cockpit" software. Mount the tablet in a hinged frame so it can be raised and pushed forward to reveal a few standby "steam gauges" for use if the electronics go belly-up. Since the glass cockpit is merely software, it can be updated and tailored to any pilots desires. Instead of new gadgets, you add new software features. The display can change with a push of a stick mounted button to emphasize moving maps or whatever is important at the moment. Fortunately, the requisite "air-data" sensors are available to feed the computer. Of course, there will be strenuous objections but they'll be essentially the same ones heard in the airplane community before glass took over. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6844 (20120131) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6844 (20120131) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6844 (20120131) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6844 (20120131) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com |
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On Jan 31, 12:44*pm, ASM wrote:
On Jan 31, 9:29*am, Bill D wrote: This is in response to threads on FLARM and Mirasol displays which I think relate in a general way. If you back up 100 meters and think outside the box, we've been facing restricted panel space for a long time. *FLARM is just the latest gadget but it may be the proverbial "straw". A solution has been found in the airplane community - glass cockpits. Old "steam gauges" display information very inefficiently. *You just don't need an 80mm dial to display altitude when a simple 5 digit numeric display and/or tape can do it much better in a quarter the space. Imagine a panel-sized tablet computer with a Mirasol display running glider-specific "glass cockpit" software. *Mount the tablet in a hinged frame so it can be raised and pushed forward to reveal a few standby "steam gauges" for use if the electronics go belly-up. *Since the glass cockpit is merely software, it can be updated and tailored to any pilots desires. Instead of new gadgets, you add new software features. *The display can change with a push of a stick mounted button to emphasize moving maps or whatever is important at the moment. *Fortunately, the requisite "air-data" sensors are available to feed the computer. Of course, there will be strenuous objections but they'll be essentially the same ones heard in the airplane community before glass took over. Amen to that. I would like to have an integrated EFIS display with vario, speed, altimeter and a radio with transponder, etc. The installation process would be simplified. Do you supposed that if someone would approach Garmin would they create G500/600 Sailplane Edition? Jacek- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Actually, you can do most of that with one box. When I was looking for an EFIS to install in my HP a few years ago, I looked at MGL Avionics Enigma system. It the time, I had an HP18, and it wouldn't fit in the fairly small panel the way I had it laid out. I decided on using a Dynon D10A instead. It works fine, but doesn't have near the capability of the Enigma. Here's a link: http://www.mglavionics.com/html/enigma.html. A have a larger panel with the HP16, and wish I had purchased the Enigma. The system is fully customizable. There is a simple app that allows you to create your own screens. They have a free PC simulator that you can use to test them. I created several screens and really liked what you could do. I had one screen for checklists. Another for normal flight with a nice color moving map display, airspeed including TAS on the left, Altimeter and VSI on the right, compass at the top. I set them up as tape instruments, wih a digital readout at the top of the tape. I created another page with the standard six pack instruments in the left quadrant, an HSI including GPS nav with vertical navagation in the upper right quadrant, and a moving map display on the lower half. If you have a motor, all it's readings (temp, RPM, pressure, etc) can also be displayed. You can create a screen with all that information displayed while the engine is on. When it's off, push a button to change to another page without engine info, so you have a less cluttered display. What I'm getting it, is you can make it do and look like you want. It also allows you to control several different radios. It also will display not only Flarm, but XRX, TCAS, and TIS traffic info. The last thing is that MGL is willing to add requested features. It's simply a software upgrade. Charlie |
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It will all be done with your smart phone before long. Someone is
working on bluetooth vario add bluetooth airspeed and you will be able to get whatever you want a bunch of different ways. On Jan 31, 6:15*pm, cfinn wrote: On Jan 31, 12:44*pm, ASM wrote: On Jan 31, 9:29*am, Bill D wrote: This is in response to threads on FLARM and Mirasol displays which I think relate in a general way. If you back up 100 meters and think outside the box, we've been facing restricted panel space for a long time. *FLARM is just the latest gadget but it may be the proverbial "straw". A solution has been found in the airplane community - glass cockpits. Old "steam gauges" display information very inefficiently. *You just don't need an 80mm dial to display altitude when a simple 5 digit numeric display and/or tape can do it much better in a quarter the space. Imagine a panel-sized tablet computer with a Mirasol display running glider-specific "glass cockpit" software. *Mount the tablet in a hinged frame so it can be raised and pushed forward to reveal a few standby "steam gauges" for use if the electronics go belly-up. *Since the glass cockpit is merely software, it can be updated and tailored to any pilots desires. Instead of new gadgets, you add new software features. *The display can change with a push of a stick mounted button to emphasize moving maps or whatever is important at the moment. *Fortunately, the requisite "air-data" sensors are available to feed the computer. Of course, there will be strenuous objections but they'll be essentially the same ones heard in the airplane community before glass took over. Amen to that. I would like to have an integrated EFIS display with vario, speed, altimeter and a radio with transponder, etc. The installation process would be simplified. Do you supposed that if someone would approach Garmin would they create G500/600 Sailplane Edition? Jacek- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Actually, you can do most of that with one box. When I was looking for an EFIS to install in my HP a few years ago, I looked at MGL Avionics Enigma system. It the time, I had an HP18, and it wouldn't fit in the fairly small panel the way I had it laid out. I decided on using a Dynon D10A instead. It works fine, but doesn't have near the capability of the Enigma. Here's a link:http://www.mglavionics.com/html/enigma.html. A have a larger panel with the HP16, and wish I had purchased the Enigma. The system is fully customizable. There is a simple app that allows you to create your own screens. They have a free PC simulator that you can use to test them. I created several screens and really liked what you could do. I had one screen for checklists. Another for normal flight with a nice color moving map display, airspeed including TAS on the left, Altimeter and VSI on the right, compass at the top. I set them up as tape instruments, wih a digital readout at the top of the tape. I created another page with the standard six pack instruments in the left quadrant, an HSI including GPS nav with vertical navagation in the upper right quadrant, and a moving map display on the lower half. If you have a motor, all it's readings (temp, RPM, pressure, etc) can also be displayed. You can create a screen with all that information displayed while the engine is on. When it's off, push a button to change to another page without engine info, so you have a less cluttered display. What I'm getting it, is you can make it do and look like you want. *It also allows you to control several different radios. It also will display not only Flarm, but XRX, TCAS, and TIS traffic info. The last thing is that MGL is willing to add requested features. It's simply a software upgrade. Charlie |
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On Jan 31, 8:42*pm, "
wrote: It will all be done with your smart phone before long. *Someone is working on bluetooth vario add bluetooth airspeed and you will be able to get whatever you want a bunch of different ways. On Jan 31, 6:15*pm, cfinn wrote: It is already here. I saw this company about a month ago. Pretty interesting stuff what they are doing with phones and ipad type devices wirelessly! http://www.aviation.levil.com/AHRS_mini.htm Bruno - B4 |
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