Rotation

Do real aircraft abruptly pitch upward on take-off during rotation, or
is this an artifact of my simulator? I find that I must put the stick
forward slightly as soon as the nose rises, or I risk a tail strike.
This is especially true on small aircraft, such as the Baron 58.
Large jets seem to do the same thing, but at a slower speed. I am
curious as to whether real aircraft are the same way, and if so, what
the proper way is to rotate to minimize wild movements.

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No they don't.
MS Flightsim models are not very good.
you can buy models (try Realair) that perform as they should do.

Tony

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Tony Roberts
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Cessna 172H C-GICE

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Do real aircraft abruptly pitch upward on take-off during rotation, or
is this an artifact of my simulator? I find that I must put the stick
forward slightly as soon as the nose rises, or I risk a tail strike.
This is especially true on small aircraft, such as the Baron 58.
Large jets seem to do the same thing, but at a slower speed. I am
curious as to whether real aircraft are the same way, and if so, what
the proper way is to rotate to minimize wild movements.

Only if its out of trim. Make sure you are trimmed for take off and the
elevator is neurtral. Not sure how you do that in MSFS though, in a
real plane you let it go where it wants to go (which is based on the
trim).

-Robert

Mxsmanic wrote:
Do real aircraft abruptly pitch upward on take-off during rotation, or
is this an artifact of my simulator? I find that I must put the stick
forward slightly as soon as the nose rises, or I risk a tail strike.
This is especially true on small aircraft, such as the Baron 58.
Large jets seem to do the same thing, but at a slower speed. I am
curious as to whether real aircraft are the same way, and if so, what
the proper way is to rotate to minimize wild movements.

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Another thing to consider in real aircraft is a plane trimmed for
takeoff for forward CG limit while the CG is loaded close to the aft
limit. The plane can be noticeablly more pitch sensitive during
takeoff.

The cure is to trim to the forward edge of normal take off trim
setting, and prepare for a light yoke force needed for rotation.

Robert M. Gary wrote:
Only if its out of trim.

Robert M. Gary writes:

Only if its out of trim. Make sure you are trimmed for take off and the
elevator is neurtral. Not sure how you do that in MSFS though, in a
real plane you let it go where it wants to go (which is based on the
trim).

MSFS will let me adjust trim. How do I find out how to trim for
take-off?

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Mxsmanic,

I am
curious as to whether real aircraft are the same way, and if so, what
the proper way is to rotate to minimize wild movements.


Hey, it's a simulator, so it's gotta be just like real life. Same
thing. That's why you know all about flying, especially about IFR
flying.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote:
Mxsmanic,

I am
curious as to whether real aircraft are the same way, and if so, what
the proper way is to rotate to minimize wild movements.


Hey, it's a simulator, so it's gotta be just like real life. Same
thing. That's why you know all about flying, especially about IFR
flying.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

I understand where you're coming from, but simulators these days have
become quite true to life. I have used MSFS many times to teach stalls,
emergency procedures, aerodynamics, W+B issues, and especially IFR
procedures. For the most part, these programs simulate those things
(and many more) extremely well.

Anyways, whats with the trend around here amongst the "regulars" to be
so condescending when dealing with people of lesser knowledge? It's as
if these people are so desperate to show off their vast knowledge of
aviation, they'll resort to things like name-calling and sarcasm (the
easy way) before trying to explain their point of view intelligently
and reasonably (the hard way)...

Buttman,

Anyways, whats with the trend around here amongst the "regulars" to be
so condescending when dealing with people of lesser knowledge?


You have obviously missed the "Why don't voice radio communications use
FM?" thread, originated by mxsmanic.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

buttman wrote:

Anyways, whats with the trend around here amongst the "regulars" to be
so condescending when dealing with people of lesser knowledge?

Msxmanic, in his introductory posts here, put forth several
aviation-specific claims, such as "the majority of airplane accidents are
caused by poor communication," then, when repeatedly questioned about these
claims, failed to provide any evidence whatsoever.

Tom provided the thread titles. If you are interested go to Google groups
and form your own first impressions of this individual's posting style.

--
Peter

"buttman" wrote in message

Anyways, whats with the trend around here amongst the "regulars" to be
so condescending when dealing with people of lesser knowledge? It's as
if these people are so desperate to show off their vast knowledge of
aviation, they'll resort to things like name-calling and sarcasm (the
easy way) before trying to explain their point of view intelligently
and reasonably (the hard way)...

The problem was that the ms person tried to act as though he had ALL of the
answers, and when he was presented with fact, or was asked to back up his
position, he back pedaled, but would not admit fault.

It is one thing to come here with questions, and a desire to learn. It is
another thing to come here with the assumption that all of the others have
something to learn from you.

In other words, fools are not suffered easily. He acted as a fool would.
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Jim in NC