General Aviation Dead?

"I look with sadness on the Cessna with bees nests in its air vents, or
the Mooney sitting on its rims with critters running in and out of it,
and the Cessna 150, faded and gutted like a fish. I ask myself, how did
it get to this? How could someone let their plane ´die¡ this way?"

http://seebarryfly.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/is-the-death-of-general-aviation-%E2%80%9Cplane%E2%80%9D-to-see/

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:39:34 -0400, Quaalude wrote:

"I look with sadness on the Cessna with bees nests in its air vents, or
the Mooney sitting on its rims with critters running in and out of it,
and the Cessna 150, faded and gutted like a fish. I ask myself, how did
it get to this? How could someone let their plane ´die¡ this way?"

http://seebarryfly.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/is-the-death-of-general-aviation-%E2%80%9Cplane%E2%80%9D-to-see/

GA on the decline? Absolutely. GA making adjustments to thwart that
decline. Hardly. The best/worst example is the Sport Pilot debacle and
the supposed emergence of "inexpensive" LSA. The LSA has gained some
ground with geezers who have flunked their medicals but driven a
resurgence of GA? Give me a break.

GA dead? NO. Dying? Like an octogenarian, it's only a matter of time.

On Oct 10, 10:51*am, Tom wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:39:34 -0400, Quaalude wrote:
"I look with sadness on the Cessna with bees nests in its air vents, or
the Mooney sitting on its rims with critters running in and out of it,
and the Cessna 150, faded and gutted like a fish. I ask myself, how did
it get to this? How could someone let their plane die this way?"

http://seebarryfly.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/is-the-death-of-general-a....

GA on the decline? Absolutely. GA making adjustments to thwart that
decline. Hardly. The best/worst example is the Sport Pilot debacle and
the supposed emergence of "inexpensive" LSA. The LSA has gained some
ground with geezers who have flunked their medicals but driven a
resurgence of GA? Give me a break.

GA dead? NO. Dying? Like an octogenarian, it's only a matter of time.

Golly, Tom, do you live in GA the same as MU? lol

A*

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Aceâ™* wrote:

On Oct 10, 10:51Â*am, Tom wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:39:34 -0400, Quaalude wrote:
"I look with sadness on the Cessna with bees nests in its air vents, or
the Mooney sitting on its rims with critters running in and out of it,
and the Cessna 150, faded and gutted like a fish. I ask myself, how did
it get to this? How could someone let their plane die this way?"

http://seebarryfly.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/is-the-death-of-general-a...

GA on the decline? Absolutely. GA making adjustments to thwart that
decline. Hardly. The best/worst example is the Sport Pilot debacle and
the supposed emergence of "inexpensive" LSA. The LSA has gained some
ground with geezers who have flunked their medicals but driven a
resurgence of GA? Give me a break.

GA dead? NO. Dying? Like an octogenarian, it's only a matter of time.

Golly, Tom, do you live in GA the same as MU? lol

A*

Golly Acey I haven't lived in Georgia since 2005. *LOL*

Please keep up like a good demon-troll should.
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:16:41 -0400, MU wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Aceâ™* wrote:

On Oct 10, 10:51Â*am, Tom wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:39:34 -0400, Quaalude wrote:
"I look with sadness on the Cessna with bees nests in its air vents, or
the Mooney sitting on its rims with critters running in and out of it,
and the Cessna 150, faded and gutted like a fish. I ask myself, how did
it get to this? How could someone let their plane die this way?"

http://seebarryfly.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/is-the-death-of-general-a...

GA on the decline? Absolutely. GA making adjustments to thwart that
decline. Hardly. The best/worst example is the Sport Pilot debacle and
the supposed emergence of "inexpensive" LSA. The LSA has gained some
ground with geezers who have flunked their medicals but driven a
resurgence of GA? Give me a break.

GA dead? NO. Dying? Like an octogenarian, it's only a matter of time.

Golly, Tom, do you live in GA the same as MU? lol

A*

Golly Acey I haven't lived in Georgia since 2005. *LOL*

Please keep up like a good demon-troll should.

Regardless of whether GA is in GA or in CA or FL or The Isle Of Wight,
it's dying.

The so-called inexpensive LSA new is typically over $100,000 with
extensive maintenance, fuel and other associated costs. Then with your
crappy Sport Pilot license, you can fly in circles, daylight and good
weather only and enjoy $300 hamburgers.

Since a medical is not required, there is no limitation on age or
capabilities, you can drop dead in the air when you would be denied a
drive's license.

But, hey, let's not limit air craziness to non racing aviation. Here we
have a geezer allowed to race over the heads of thousands and when he
kills a handful and maims a churchful, it's "metal fatigue". No, not the
metal in his head either.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20107634.shtml

Move the *children*, those who have not been chopped up by the flying
debris.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXjzMP-1Q-g

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:36:49 -0400, Tom wrote:

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:16:41 -0400, MU wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Aceâ™* wrote:

On Oct 10, 10:51Â*am, Tom wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:39:34 -0400, Quaalude wrote:
"I look with sadness on the Cessna with bees nests in its air vents, or
the Mooney sitting on its rims with critters running in and out of it,
and the Cessna 150, faded and gutted like a fish. I ask myself, how did
it get to this? How could someone let their plane die this way?"

http://seebarryfly.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/is-the-death-of-general-a...

GA on the decline? Absolutely. GA making adjustments to thwart that
decline. Hardly. The best/worst example is the Sport Pilot debacle and
the supposed emergence of "inexpensive" LSA. The LSA has gained some
ground with geezers who have flunked their medicals but driven a
resurgence of GA? Give me a break.

GA dead? NO. Dying? Like an octogenarian, it's only a matter of time.

Golly, Tom, do you live in GA the same as MU? lol

A*

Golly Acey I haven't lived in Georgia since 2005. *LOL*

Please keep up like a good demon-troll should.

Regardless of whether GA is in GA or in CA or FL or The Isle Of Wight,
it's dying.

The so-called inexpensive LSA new is typically over $100,000 with
extensive maintenance, fuel and other associated costs. Then with your
crappy Sport Pilot license, you can fly in circles, daylight and good
weather only and enjoy $300 hamburgers.

Since a medical is not required, there is no limitation on age or
capabilities, you can drop dead in the air when you would be denied a
drive's license.

But, hey, let's not limit air craziness to non racing aviation. Here we
have a geezer allowed to race over the heads of thousands and when he
kills a handful and maims a churchful, it's "metal fatigue". No, not the
metal in his head either.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20107634.shtml

Move the *children*, those who have not been chopped up by the flying
debris.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXjzMP-1Q-g

I haven't renewed my PPL this year and one reason is that the airport I
fly out of is a) under runway construction and b) filled with daffy old
pilots.

Try sharing a single TO/L runway with a bunch of glaucoma-laden morons.
lol. When you choice on TO abort is "which set of mangroves do I ditch
in", you're better off grounded.
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MU wrote:

I haven't renewed my PPL this year and one reason is that the airport
I fly out of is a) under runway construction and b) filled with daffy
old pilots.

Try sharing a single TO/L runway with a bunch of glaucoma-laden
morons. lol. When you choice on TO abort is "which set of mangroves
do I ditch in", you're better off grounded.

Reality Check

Active General Aviation Aircraft in the U.S. 1973-2011
Current as of March 2011
Source: FAA

Year No Active Aircraft
2011 224,475
2001 211,446
1991 196,874
1981 213,293
1973 153,311

Doesn't exactly look dead to me.

Keith

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:11:43 +0100, Keith Willshaw wrote:

MU wrote:

I haven't renewed my PPL this year and one reason is that the airport
I fly out of is a) under runway construction and b) filled with daffy
old pilots.

Try sharing a single TO/L runway with a bunch of glaucoma-laden
morons. lol. When you choice on TO abort is "which set of mangroves
do I ditch in", you're better off grounded.

Reality Check

Active General Aviation Aircraft in the U.S. 1973-2011
Current as of March 2011
Source: FAA

Year No Active Aircraft
2011 224,475
2001 211,446
1991 196,874
1981 213,293
1973 153,311

Doesn't exactly look dead to me.

Keith

Dying is not dead. Reality check, truth be known, general aviation is a
dying industry. Every year there are fewer active pilots, "active
airplanes" is a load.

At the airport where I learned to fly in the early '70s there used to be
three flight schools; two were busy enough and the third did some float
training. The tiedown area was covered in airplanes. Now there's one
flight school with a couple of Katanas, and both were tied down off in
a corner the other day when I was there. Maybe a quarter of the old
number of airplanes tied down outside, with a few more in hangars. No
kids at the fence. And this in a city that has seen the population
double in that time.

Transport Canada says that in some areas of the country flight training
is down 50% ( I was a partner Cessna dealer there).

The insurance companies have killed off the flight schools and rentals
in all but the most prosperous locations. The general liability
consciousness of our society has affected mentalities, and the fuel
crunch has done the rest.

I wish I could believe otherwise, but I think it is an unrecoverable
flat spin. . .
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:20:16 -0400, MU wrote:

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:11:43 +0100, Keith Willshaw wrote:

MU wrote:

I haven't renewed my PPL this year and one reason is that the airport
I fly out of is a) under runway construction and b) filled with daffy
old pilots.

Try sharing a single TO/L runway with a bunch of glaucoma-laden
morons. lol. When you choice on TO abort is "which set of mangroves
do I ditch in", you're better off grounded.

Reality Check

Active General Aviation Aircraft in the U.S. 1973-2011
Current as of March 2011
Source: FAA

Year No Active Aircraft
2011 224,475
2001 211,446
1991 196,874
1981 213,293
1973 153,311

Doesn't exactly look dead to me.

Keith

Dying is not dead. Reality check, truth be known, general aviation is a
dying industry. Every year there are fewer active pilots, "active
airplanes" is a load.

At the airport where I learned to fly in the early '70s there used to be
three flight schools; two were busy enough and the third did some float
training. The tiedown area was covered in airplanes. Now there's one
flight school with a couple of Katanas, and both were tied down off in
a corner the other day when I was there. Maybe a quarter of the old
number of airplanes tied down outside, with a few more in hangars. No
kids at the fence. And this in a city that has seen the population
double in that time.

Transport Canada says that in some areas of the country flight training
is down 50% ( I was a partner Cessna dealer there).

The insurance companies have killed off the flight schools and rentals
in all but the most prosperous locations. The general liability
consciousness of our society has affected mentalities, and the fuel
crunch has done the rest.

I wish I could believe otherwise, but I think it is an unrecoverable
flat spin. . .

Do you keep up with Huffman et al?

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:29:55 -0400, Tom wrote:

Do you keep up with Huffman et al?

Dekkers/Hilliard? I was @ Dekkers recent book signing to call out the
fraud until I was asked to "leave". LOL. Hilliard has been arrested more
than once for whipping up on teenagers, what a pair!

Huffman was bought by a Company Ponzi guy, they love Venice for obvious
reasons. Great facility, er, *was* I should say, the town has more
geezers in it than Marco Island and threex as dangerous.

Less mangroves though.
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