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On Jun 27, 8:33*am, Brian Whatcott wrote:
There's a useful, contrasting viewpoint. * * But (can't I resist being negative?) a 4 year degree from Baylor and a CFII ticket is not a $27 grand proposition. *$80? $100? $127 grand? * * That's why it is very, very helpful to have well-heeled parents in this situation. Brian W- Hide quoted text - Indeed, it was NOT a $27 grand proposition at Baylor. More along the low 6 figures. But there are many good & excellent part 141 colleges & universities with both stellar flight instruction and reasonable rates/ expenses both at the school and for the flight costs. Near here, Central Texas University and South-Eastern Oklahoma State are good, reasonable 141 schools. In my city, Texas State Technical College is a good, and cheap 141 school but you'll graduate with only a (virtually useless) 2 year associates degree. Now that I think of it, TSTC partners, I believe, with South Eastern or UT Arlington for a bachelors and you stay in Waco for your flying & classroom instruction. Many 2 year colleges are partnering with nearby universities so one can earn his/her bachelors while staying in their respective city, avoiding the hasle & expense of moving for a degree.. Ricky |
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Brian Whatcott wrote:
Ricky wrote: On Jun 25, 9:38 pm, majortom546 wrote: I just graduated from high school and my dream job is to become a pilot. The total cost of the program is $27,000.... majortom546 Please do not listen only to the doom stories about salary, hours, expense, and the liberal NYT article. Never trust or put much weight on the media in making life-changing decions, especially about a career. Piloting careers are diverse and the job market fluctuates greatly. I am not a career pilot (I am a career A&P who flys for fun at the moment) but my nephew's story paints a different picture than the doom & gloom stories given to you here so far. He went into some debt but had wealthy parents to help him through Baylor's aviation program, graduated with a bachelor's and a CFII, Multi, went straight to the Dallas area and stepped into a $25,000/ year CFI job with very reasonable hours and benefits. A few months later he hired on at Flight Safety as a co-pilot in a specific business jet simulator and was paid over $30,000 for this. A business jet captain, coming to train in the simulator liked my nephew and said; "you should come work for us." So he went from Flight Safety to co-pilot in a Sabreliner for a major corporation and his salary jumped significantly to, I think, near $40,000. All this happened in less than 2 years after graduating from a 4 year university so don't let anyone tell you that you can't get a good flying job. If you want something bad enough, and are willing to do whatever it takes to get it, it can be your's. I could tell you at least 5 more very recent success stories of pilots just out of school getting very respectable careers flying. The airlines are NOT all there is. There are corporations, 1000s of them with small business jets. Helicopter jobs are hot, I understand, right now (and usually are). You can fly and earn a living, don't listen to those who say "don't!" Many people really enjoy instructing as a career and make well over $50,000 within a few years at the right school/insitution. My plan is to get my CFII & instruct as a "side job" supplementing my A&P work or to find a place that needs check or test pilots for planes worked on. If you really want to fly and it's been your dream since you were little, don't let anything or anyone stop you. You will never be satisfied or happy until you're living your dream, anyway. Ricky There's a useful, contrasting viewpoint. But (can't I resist being negative?) a 4 year degree from Baylor and a CFII ticket is not a $27 grand proposition. $80? $100? $127 grand? That's why it is very, very helpful to have well-heeled parents in this situation. I could mention the starry eyed young instructors living hand to mouth in a tatty travel trailer, building hours towards an ATP. Still, I like the idea of grabbing for the ring and living the dream. Brian W Baylor may be expensive but have you looked at Southeastern Oklahoma State University in Durant, OK. I have known some folks that graduated with a degree and all the certificates/licenses (your pick) and have done well. They have had to earn their position by first being a flight instructor, then a freight hauler, then start moving on up. A son of one friend is now captain on a Gulfstream. He sent a picture of his "office" and it is quite nice. There are other things than the airlines. BTW, I have not association with SOSU. Just live near it and know some folks that went there. -- Regards, Ross C-172F 180HP Sold KSWI |
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:38:46 +0100, majortom546 wrote:
I just graduated from high school and my dream job is to become a pilot. I think you might find this article very interesting: SO, YOU WANT TO BE AN AIRPLANE PILOT..... by Hal Stoen http://stoenworks.com/So%2C%20you%20...a%20pilot.html -- Dallas |
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Dallas wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:38:46 +0100, majortom546 wrote: I just graduated from high school and my dream job is to become a pilot. I think you might find this article very interesting: SO, YOU WANT TO BE AN AIRPLANE PILOT..... by Hal Stoen http://stoenworks.com/So%2C%20you%20...a%20pilot.html Too bad he doesn't mention starting with glider training - even though he says one should probably start with aircraft the most difficult to fly. Nothing like training on a plane with no motor, one wheel, every takeoff requiring formation flight (for aerotows), and no allowance for go-arounds on landings! |
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On Jun 29, 11:28*am, Ross wrote:
Baylor may be expensive but have you looked at Southeastern Oklahoma State University in Durant, OK. Regards, Ross C-172F 180HP Sold KSWI- See above...I talk about S.E. Ok. State U. Inexpensive, respected, but with mediocre to low quality instruction (just what I've heard). I have heard good & bad about the school, but there's good & bad in everything. I honestly don't think the particular school has a whole lot of bearing on one getting hired at an airline, corporation, FBO or wherever one's flight career takes root. Ricky |
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On Jun 25, 9:38*pm, majortom546
wrote: I just graduated from high school and my dream job is to become a pilot. I have wanted to be a pilot since a very young age. I plan on attending my local community college this fall. majortom546 Do it. BUT...why not start out at a university and avoid the hassle of transferring? You'll likely come out cheaper ($) and more time- efficient in your studies if you go directly to a 4 year school. I have been involved with 3 2 year colleges with flight programs and not one student seriously pursuing their flight career was glad they began at a 2 year school. |
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"Jim Logajan" wrote in message .. . Dallas wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:38:46 +0100, majortom546 wrote: I just graduated from high school and my dream job is to become a pilot. I think you might find this article very interesting: SO, YOU WANT TO BE AN AIRPLANE PILOT..... by Hal Stoen http://stoenworks.com/So%2C%20you%20...a%20pilot.html Too bad he doesn't mention starting with glider training - even though he says one should probably start with aircraft the most difficult to fly. Nothing like training on a plane with no motor, one wheel, every takeoff requiring formation flight (for aerotows), and no allowance for go-arounds on landings! IMHE, I learned a great deal flying gliders and consider glider training and experience very helpful for any pilot, however, I would NOT advise students to spend energy or money pursuing a glider pilot certificate (or licence) before obtaining a powered pilot cert/lic. IN GENERAL (there are exceptions) and IMHE, -Powered schools and instructors are better qualified and trained as instructors, teach to a more structured curriculum, and are more motivated to train new pilots to the level of both solo and flight test standards. -IMHE, Cert/Lic pilots will solo gliders very quickly but ab-initio glider student pilots seldom ever do. -Cert/Lic glider pilots get very little credit (5hrs?) towards power training requirements and non cert/lic students get no credit for glider training. -IIRC, Cert/Lic pilots do not require either glider ground school or written test to add the glider class to their Cert/Lic. -Gliders are affectively taildraggers and will teach good landing skills but they are not very good at touch and go and it is difficult to get much landing practice unless you can find a club with a winch. Similarly towplanes are expensive and landing training is much cheaper using a winch or a powered aircraft.. -IMHO the best and most cost effective flight training will be found at a school using taildraggers (IMHO the best is a Citabria 7ECA) for training, It will take a few hours longer to solo but IMHE the instructors will be better and you will learn to use your feet properly and will have little trouble transitioning to tricycle or glider aircraft. (Few taildraggers have the full instruments best for use during Commercial training.) -IMHO, glider training is very helpful after Private Pilot Cert/Lic and enroute to Commercial Pilot Cert/Lic. IIRC, A Cert/Lic pilot can claim their glider solo flying as both PIC and total time. Commercial students often find themselves short on PIC time after they have completed all the other requirements. Many people also recommend float training as part of Commercial Pilot training as this can make it easier to get a first flying job. Happy landings, YMMV |
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I think im going to go for the degree in aviation. Here is the link to the page of the course im looking at by the way:
http://www.sunydutchess.edu/academic...nSciencePilot/ And some people were saying the cost is too low... It is $26,200 in "lab" fees plus the tuition of $3000 a year. And what are some colleges I can look into transfering to? Thanks guys. |
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On Jun 29, 4:12*pm, majortom546
wrote: I think im going to go for the degree in aviation. Here is the link to the page of the course im looking at by the way: http://tinyurl.com/lpsqms And some people were saying the cost is too low... It is $26,200 in "lab" fees plus the tuition of $3000 a year. And what are some colleges I can look into transfering to? Thanks guys. -- majortom546 I strongly suggest you begin at your 4 year university instead of getting an associates (2 year) degree and then transferring somewhere else. If you transfer there are the possible hassles of moving, transferring schools, new airplanes & flight instructors, different costs, different school, environment. Starting at the 4 year school will be smoother sailing. Southeast Oklahoma State, Central Texas University, U.T. Arlington, there are hundreds of universities with bachelor's programs in flight. Perhaps someone can provide a good link for the search. Ricky |
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On Jun 29, 4:12*pm, majortom546
wrote: And what are some colleges I can look into transfering to? Thanks guys. majortom546 Here is one of among 6,000,000 plus links; http://www.collegebound.net/aviation..._ id=5065712& Ricky |
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