Comfortable 4 seaters?

"Aaron Coolidge" wrote in message
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Paul Tomblin wrote:
: According to Plane and Pilot
: (http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/cont...ecs/index.html) both of these
: planes have a 47" wide cabin. The Lance is 49" and the Cardinal is 48"
: and the Trinidad is 50".

Don't let this decide you. The 114/115 feel HUGE inside. If you are
serious,
you should certainly sit in one.
Some of those specs are not quite right: It's got 260HP, not 200HP (the
112
has 200 HP). It really goes about 150K tas. The trailing link main gears
make bad landings impossible.

And the 114/115 not only feel big inside, they ride like a Cadillac.
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Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:59:20 GMT, "Dude" wrote:


Aaron gets the prize. The Commander is the closest thing to what you are
asking for.

The Socata's aren't bad, but the low end models are not all that great, and
the more powerful planes are definitely a risky buy.




I thought I heard that single Commanders are dogs, as in very slow
cruise.

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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:59:20 GMT, "Dude" wrote:


Aaron gets the prize. The Commander is the closest thing to what you are
asking for.

The Socata's aren't bad, but the low end models are not all that great,
and
the more powerful planes are definitely a risky buy.




I thought I heard that single Commanders are dogs, as in very slow
cruise.

160kts @ 75% or 155 at 65% for the NA, 170 @12,500 for the TC.

Not screaming, but not canine either.
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Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:20:09 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:


I thought I heard that single Commanders are dogs, as in very slow
cruise.

160kts @ 75% or 155 at 65% for the NA, 170 @12,500 for the TC.

Not screaming, but not canine either.

Not bad at all. I assume that would be for the 114 models? If so,
maybe I was thinking of an older or different model.

John Szpara
Affordable Satellite
Fiero Owner 2-84 Indy Pace cars, 86 Coupe, 88 Formula 3.4, 88 Coupe, 88GT

"john szpara" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:20:09 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:


I thought I heard that single Commanders are dogs, as in very slow
cruise.

160kts @ 75% or 155 at 65% for the NA, 170 @12,500 for the TC.

Not screaming, but not canine either.

Not bad at all. I assume that would be for the 114 models? If so,
maybe I was thinking of an older or different model.

That's the 114/115; the 112 was less, but that, IIRC, was only a 200-235HP,
while the 114/115 is/was a 260HP.

I almost bought a 114TC back a few years ago, but got a "really good deal"
on a T210, which turned out to be a maintenance nightmare. Traded it for a
B56 which turned out to be even worse and kept neither one more than 9
months each (okay, third time was the charm when I got my B36).
--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Matt Barrow wrote:
/snip/

I almost bought a 114TC back a few years ago, but got a "really good deal"
on a T210, which turned out to be a maintenance nightmare. Traded it for a
B56 which turned out to be even worse and kept neither one more than 9
months each (okay, third time was the charm when I got my B36).

Geez,

No wonder you're down on Barons! You do realize that those TIO-541's
are not typical of the fleet's maintenance level???

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane
N92054

"Scott Skylane" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
/snip/

I almost bought a 114TC back a few years ago, but got a "really good
deal"
on a T210, which turned out to be a maintenance nightmare. Traded it for
a
B56 which turned out to be even worse and kept neither one more than 9
months each (okay, third time was the charm when I got my B36).

Geez,

No wonder you're down on Barons! You do realize that those TIO-541's
are not typical of the fleet's maintenance level???

Pardon me? The Baron and the T210 both had Continental 520's. AAMOF, my B36
had one when I got it and that's why I opted for the IO-550 when they did
the conversion/overhaul.

In truth, the Baron was LESS maintenance than the 210 (it was, though, 12
years newer), but the gas and insurance was so much more and for hauling two
or three people was overkill. The 210 was a mess from the standpoint of
hydraulics and avionics/electrical problems.


Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Your memory must be fading. The Baron 56TC has the big Lyc's, LYC
TIO-541-E1B4.

Karl


"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Scott Skylane" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
/snip/

I almost bought a 114TC back a few years ago, but got a "really good
deal"
on a T210, which turned out to be a maintenance nightmare. Traded it
for
a
B56 which turned out to be even worse and kept neither one more than 9
months each (okay, third time was the charm when I got my B36).

Geez,

No wonder you're down on Barons! You do realize that those TIO-541's
are not typical of the fleet's maintenance level???

Pardon me? The Baron and the T210 both had Continental 520's. AAMOF, my
B36
had one when I got it and that's why I opted for the IO-550 when they did
the conversion/overhaul.

In truth, the Baron was LESS maintenance than the 210 (it was, though, 12
years newer), but the gas and insurance was so much more and for hauling
two
or three people was overkill. The 210 was a mess from the standpoint of
hydraulics and avionics/electrical problems.


Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Either that or he had a conversion, or he fat-fingered it and meant
that he had a 55 or a 58.

kage wrote:
Your memory must be fading. The Baron 56TC has the big Lyc's, LYC
TIO-541-E1B4.

Karl


"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Scott Skylane" wrote in message
...
Matt Barrow wrote:
/snip/

I almost bought a 114TC back a few years ago, but got a "really
good
deal"
on a T210, which turned out to be a maintenance nightmare.
Traded it
for
a
B56 which turned out to be even worse and kept neither one more
than 9
months each (okay, third time was the charm when I got my B36).

Geez,

No wonder you're down on Barons! You do realize that those
TIO-541's
are not typical of the fleet's maintenance level???

Pardon me? The Baron and the T210 both had Continental 520's.
AAMOF, my
B36
had one when I got it and that's why I opted for the IO-550 when
they did
the conversion/overhaul.

In truth, the Baron was LESS maintenance than the 210 (it was,
though, 12
years newer), but the gas and insurance was so much more and for
hauling
two
or three people was overkill. The 210 was a mess from the
standpoint of
hydraulics and avionics/electrical problems.


Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:03:23 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:


In truth, the Baron was LESS maintenance than the 210 (it was, though, 12
years newer), but the gas and insurance was so much more and for hauling two
or three people was overkill. The 210 was a mess from the standpoint of
hydraulics and avionics/electrical problems.

The T210 is on my short list of possible planes for purchase. Do you
think it was that particular airplane, or 210s in general?

I'd opt for a T210 that is no older than a 1970, and I'd go with the
newest, lowest time model I could afford.

John Szpara
Affordable Satellite
Fiero Owner 2-84 Indy Pace cars, 86 Coupe, 88 Formula 3.4, 88 Coupe, 88GT