GP 15 Jeta

kinsell wrote on 6/29/2020 4:15 PM:
On 6/29/20 4:21 PM, Ramy wrote:
Do folks really sell their gliders so that they can pay deposit on a glider
which was not built yet, knowing how common big delays are even with the most
established factories? Why would anyone do that? If you really must sell your
glider to buy another, buy a used glider. So many great used gliders in like new
conditions out there which you can buy instantly. If you really want a brand new
glider you never seen before, than you should be able to afford the financial
risk and be able to keep your glider meanwhile. Otherwise it does not make sense
neither financially nor flying wise.
Personally I think the GP15 sounds great, I will wait until they fly around for
few years and are available for resale.

Ramy



Not necessarily to pay a deposit.* GP was offering discounts for paying upfront
for the gliders.* Everyone loves a discount, right?* For someone wanting to move
up to a motorglider and marginally able to afford it, they might think selling the
existing glider and taking the discount was a good idea.* In hindsight, they
probably wouldn't do it again.

Nadler says to wait until the new glider is on the boat before selling the old
one.* Maybe good enough for a mainline vendor, but with certain less established
vendors, maybe should wait until it's on the boat, delivered, CoA issued, and half
a dozen test flights under your belt.

Perhaps a good plan if your glider is number 5 or less; after that, you have some
history to aid your "sell" decision. Mine number is 12 or so, so there will be a
track record before mine is even on the boat.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

At 23:14 29 June 2020, wrote:
Out of curiosity has anyone heard of the status of the AS-34 or perhaps
placed an order for one? While it may not have the claimed performance
of
a GP15 at least its from a manufacturer with a long track record of
building sailplanes.

https://www.facebook.com/10789058405...cb.16854434465
5210/168539894655655/?type=3&theater

At 23:14 29 June 2020, wrote:
Out of curiosity has anyone heard of the status of the AS-34 or perhaps
placed an order for one? While it may not have the claimed performance
of
a GP15 at least its from a manufacturer with a long track record of
building sailplanes.

https://www.facebook.com/10789058405...cb.16854434465
5210/168539894655655/?type=3&theater

At 10:27 30 June 2020, Paul T wrote:
At 23:14 29 June 2020, wrote:
Out of curiosity has anyone heard of the status of the AS-34 or perhaps
placed an order for one? While it may not have the claimed
performance
of
a GP15 at least its from a manufacturer with a long track record of
building sailplanes.

https://www.facebook.com/10789058405...pcb.1685443446
5
5210/168539894655655/?type=3&theater



I'd go for a JS3RES or JS4RES personally.........if I had the money.

On 6/29/20 10:01 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
kinsell wrote on 6/29/2020 4:15 PM:
On 6/29/20 4:21 PM, Ramy wrote:
Do folks really sell their gliders so that they can pay deposit on a
glider which was not built yet, knowing how common big delays are
even with the most established factories? Why would anyone do that?
If you really must sell your glider to buy another, buy a used
glider. So many great used gliders in like new conditions out there
which you can buy instantly. If you really want a brand new glider
you never seen before, than you should be able to afford the
financial risk and be able to keep your glider meanwhile. Otherwise
it does not make sense neither financially nor flying wise.
Personally I think the GP15 sounds great, I will wait until they fly
around for few years and are available for resale.

Ramy



Not necessarily to pay a deposit.Â* GP was offering discounts for
paying upfront for the gliders.Â* Everyone loves a discount, right?
For someone wanting to move up to a motorglider and marginally able to
afford it, they might think selling the existing glider and taking the
discount was a good idea.Â* In hindsight, they probably wouldn't do it
again.

Nadler says to wait until the new glider is on the boat before selling
the old one.Â* Maybe good enough for a mainline vendor, but with
certain less established vendors, maybe should wait until it's on the
boat, delivered, CoA issued, and half a dozen test flights under your
belt.

Perhaps a good plan if your glider is number 5 or less; after that, you
have some history to aid your "sell" decision. Mine number is 12 or so,
so there will be a track record before mine is even on the boat.



Whoa!! The November article said the order book in the U.S. stood at
23, and that must have been written in about September. I personally
know four people who placed orders, and i don't get out much.

Raul has said he is 12-15th-ish, and he placed his order May 2017.
Unless you've been keeping a secret for a number of years, there's no
way you're really #12. Unless you paid a bunch of money to jump the line.

I smell something rotten in Denmark. Or should I say Korczyna?

kinsell wrote on 6/30/2020 5:50 AM:
On 6/29/20 10:01 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
kinsell wrote on 6/29/2020 4:15 PM:
On 6/29/20 4:21 PM, Ramy wrote:
Do folks really sell their gliders so that they can pay deposit on a glider
which was not built yet, knowing how common big delays are even with the most
established factories? Why would anyone do that? If you really must sell your
glider to buy another, buy a used glider. So many great used gliders in like
new conditions out there which you can buy instantly. If you really want a
brand new glider you never seen before, than you should be able to afford the
financial risk and be able to keep your glider meanwhile. Otherwise it does
not make sense neither financially nor flying wise.
Personally I think the GP15 sounds great, I will wait until they fly around
for few years and are available for resale.

Ramy



Not necessarily to pay a deposit.* GP was offering discounts for paying upfront
for the gliders.* Everyone loves a discount, right? For someone wanting to move
up to a motorglider and marginally able to afford it, they might think selling
the existing glider and taking the discount was a good idea.* In hindsight,
they probably wouldn't do it again.

Nadler says to wait until the new glider is on the boat before selling the old
one.* Maybe good enough for a mainline vendor, but with certain less
established vendors, maybe should wait until it's on the boat, delivered, CoA
issued, and half a dozen test flights under your belt.

Perhaps a good plan if your glider is number 5 or less; after that, you have
some history to aid your "sell" decision. Mine number is 12 or so, so there will
be a track record before mine is even on the boat.



Whoa!!* The November article said the order book in the U.S. stood at 23, and that
must have been written in about September.* I personally know four people who
placed orders, and i don't get out much.

Raul has said he is 12-15th-ish, and he placed his order May 2017. Unless you've
been keeping a secret for a number of years, there's no way you're really #12.
Unless you paid a bunch of money to jump the line.

I smell something rotten in Denmark.* Or should I say Korczyna?

The numbering is just a guess, as the contract is by date, not serial number.
Raul's glider is scheduled about 3 or 4 months ahead of mine. The important point
is there will be a delivery history to guide me when it's time to think of selling
the ASH26E.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

On 6/30/20 7:07 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
kinsell wrote on 6/30/2020 5:50 AM:
On 6/29/20 10:01 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
kinsell wrote on 6/29/2020 4:15 PM:
On 6/29/20 4:21 PM, Ramy wrote:
Do folks really sell their gliders so that they can pay deposit on
a glider which was not built yet, knowing how common big delays are
even with the most established factories? Why would anyone do that?
If you really must sell your glider to buy another, buy a used
glider. So many great used gliders in like new conditions out there
which you can buy instantly. If you really want a brand new glider
you never seen before, than you should be able to afford the
financial risk and be able to keep your glider meanwhile. Otherwise
it does not make sense neither financially nor flying wise.
Personally I think the GP15 sounds great, I will wait until they
fly around for few years and are available for resale.

Ramy



Not necessarily to pay a deposit.Â* GP was offering discounts for
paying upfront for the gliders.Â* Everyone loves a discount, right?
For someone wanting to move up to a motorglider and marginally able
to afford it, they might think selling the existing glider and
taking the discount was a good idea.Â* In hindsight, they probably
wouldn't do it again.

Nadler says to wait until the new glider is on the boat before
selling the old one.Â* Maybe good enough for a mainline vendor, but
with certain less established vendors, maybe should wait until it's
on the boat, delivered, CoA issued, and half a dozen test flights
under your belt.

Perhaps a good plan if your glider is number 5 or less; after that,
you have some history to aid your "sell" decision. Mine number is 12
or so, so there will be a track record before mine is even on the boat.



Whoa!!Â* The November article said the order book in the U.S. stood at
23, and that must have been written in about September.Â* I personally
know four people who placed orders, and i don't get out much.

Raul has said he is 12-15th-ish, and he placed his order May 2017.
Unless you've been keeping a secret for a number of years, there's no
way you're really #12. Unless you paid a bunch of money to jump the line.

I smell something rotten in Denmark.Â* Or should I say Korczyna?

The numbering is just a guess, as the contract is by date, not serial
number. Raul's glider is scheduled about 3 or 4 months ahead of mine.
The important point is there will be a delivery history to guide me when
it's time to think of selling the ASH26E.


Unfortunately schedules don't actually mean anything with GP. Raul
thought he was going to get a glider in 2018, and that didn't happen.
Then he thought he was going to get something in spring/summer of 2019,
and that didn't happen. I'm sure he believes he'll be getting something
in 2020, but even before the virus reared its head, there's no chance
that was going to happen.

He has described himself as a "Jeta owner", he'll just have to be happy
with that for the foreseeable future.

2G wrote on 6/27/2020 7:47 AM:
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I found this photo of the GP-15 on GP Glider's Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/gpgliders/p...22297261160831
It clearly shows the glider's registration number, OM-M901. A search for that registration yielded this:
https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1253786
Obviously this is a totally different aircraft. Can anyone explain this discrepancy?

Tom

I queried the US dealer (Tom Holloran), and the factory replied OM-M901 was
available when they needed a registration number, it was used for the glider while
it was in Poland, and they deregistered the glider when it was shipped to the US,
so the number is now available again. The US owner confirms he received a
deregistration document, and the glider is now registered in the US.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 6:26:35 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
2G wrote on 6/27/2020 7:47 AM:
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I found this photo of the GP-15 on GP Glider's Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/gpgliders/p...22297261160831
It clearly shows the glider's registration number, OM-M901. A search for that registration yielded this:
https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1253786
Obviously this is a totally different aircraft. Can anyone explain this discrepancy?

Tom

I queried the US dealer (Tom Holloran), and the factory replied OM-M901 was
available when they needed a registration number, it was used for the glider while
it was in Poland, and they deregistered the glider when it was shipped to the US,
so the number is now available again. The US owner confirms he received a
deregistration document, and the glider is now registered in the US.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

That number is not a Polish aircraft number - it is a Slovakian number which is assigned to another aircraft. The answer doesn't make sense.

Tom

Diana sailplanes also register their prototype there. Apparently polish authority is worst than Slovenia/Slovakia/Czech...