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Ground effect effectiveness
The efficiency of ground effect comes from replacing having to throw
air downwards, which costs energy (less energy the more air you throw at a lesser speed, ie. long wings), with just hovering over a high pressure area that you only have to set up once, instead of continuously creating it. You get the reduced induced drag of a longer-winged craft without the parasitic drag of longer wings (the point of long wings being to reduce the downward speed of thrown air). The effectiveness of ground effect is more at lower speeds, where induced drag dominates. At high speed, parasitic drag dominates and the effect doesn't reduce that. (Induced drag is from energy lost to downwards-thrown air, which has to receive enough momentum per unit time to support the weight of the airplane. Since energy goes as the square of this downward velocity, you're better off throwing twice as much air half as fast, which has the same momentum but half the energy, which still supports your weight. Hence long wings. Parasitic drag is from skin friction and turbulence produced and pressure drag, that does not help in keeping you aloft; this is the chief drag at high speed, where you're throwing vast quantities of air downwards per unit time and so at very small downward velocity. Ground effect doesn't help this. If you want to capture a live bird in a closed garage, keep him flying poking him when he lands with a long pole ; flying at low speed for long is not possible, just a few minutes, and the bird will exhaust himself. The same bird can fly fast hundreds of miles.) -- Ron Hardin On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk. |
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"Tony" wrote in message oups.com... :I haven't found a decent reference for this -- can anyone help? : : : References would be helpful: I hate having stories I write wrong for : technical reasons. : Try: http://www.australianhovercraft.com/...aft_photos.htm |
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Ground effect effectiveness-- thanks everyone
You all provided a wealth of good references, thank you all.
On Jan 7, 12:11 pm, "Tony" wrote: I haven't found a decent reference for this -- can anyone help? Consider a clean low speed airplane -- maybe one of the kit built ones. Does anyone have some quantitative measure of how much drag is reduced if the airplane is flown say half or quarter of a wingspan above the ocean? Would we be talking about a few percent less drag, or is it a big number, like 30%? Sea gulls and other long winged birds tend to fly just above the water, ducks and geese like to reduce drag by flying in vees, but don't often cruise just above the water. References would be helpful: I hate having stories I write wrong for technical reasons. |
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The efficiency of ground effect comes from replacing having to throw
air downwards, which costs energy (less energy the more air you throw at a lesser speed, ie. long wings), with just hovering over a high pressure area that you only have to set up once... Excellent writeup - thanks. Jose -- He who laughs, lasts. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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("Tony" wrote)
another great lead -- thanks. WIG info: http://www.se-technology.com/wig/index.php Wing in Ground-effect page. Good stuff MontBlack-Sea |
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Tony wrote: I haven't found a decent reference for this -- can anyone help? How about... http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...cs/q0130.shtml http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect Kev |
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On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:52:24 -0800, Danny Deger wrote
(in article ): "Tony" wrote in message oups.com... I haven't found a decent reference for this -- can anyone help? Consider a clean low speed airplane -- maybe one of the kit built ones. Does anyone have some quantitative measure of how much drag is reduced if the airplane is flown say half or quarter of a wingspan above the ocean? If I recall correctly it is about 20%. It is enough that the Russians built an seaplane with small wings that cruised in ground effect to reduce drag. It is not just a couple of percent for sure. Your technothriller will be valid to assume a substantial reduction in drag by flying in ground effect. I remember there was some discussion a couple years back of building a giant ground effect container ship/plane. It would cross the Pacific in ground effect, then fly the short distance to a coastal airport. Probably not economically feasible, but it could be done. For one thing, why fly it to an airport? All the cranes to unload it are at ports. Seems to me that skipping the flying step would greatly simplify things. |
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C J Campbell wrote: On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:52:24 -0800, Danny Deger wrote (in article ): "Tony" wrote in message oups.com... I haven't found a decent reference for this -- can anyone help? Consider a clean low speed airplane -- maybe one of the kit built ones. Does anyone have some quantitative measure of how much drag is reduced if the airplane is flown say half or quarter of a wingspan above the ocean? If I recall correctly it is about 20%. It is enough that the Russians built an seaplane with small wings that cruised in ground effect to reduce drag. It is not just a couple of percent for sure. Your technothriller will be valid to assume a substantial reduction in drag by flying in ground effect. I remember there was some discussion a couple years back of building a giant ground effect container ship/plane. It would cross the Pacific in ground effect, then fly the short distance to a coastal airport. Probably not economically feasible, but it could be done. For one thing, why fly it to an airport? All the cranes to unload it are at ports. Seems to me that skipping the flying step would greatly simplify things. Two problems that killed the Russian's ideas (besides money): (1) The huge waves encounted at sea means the thing has to rise out of ground effect, and (2) the span and power needed to fly to the airport ruin the economics of the thing. Dan |
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Ron Hardin wrote: The efficiency of ground effect comes from replacing having to throw air downwards, which costs energy (less energy the more air you throw at a lesser speed, ie. long wings), with just hovering over a high pressure area that you only have to set up once, instead of continuously creating it. You get the reduced induced drag of a longer-winged craft without the parasitic drag of longer wings (the point of long wings being to reduce the downward speed of thrown air). The proximity of the ground does two things: It interferes with wingtip vortex formation, the source of a major part of induced drag and which destroys lift over the outer part of the wing at low speeds, and it decreases angle of attack by reducing the upflow ahead of the wing and reducing the downwash. Longer wings lose less area to vortices, making them more efficient at low speeds. The pressure under the wing is not significantly higher in ground effect. Dan |
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