Going through ATL

Chip Jones wrote:

They give good heading too. :-)

ROFL!

Are you going to pay for my new keyboard? I just spilled my evening
coffee all over it! :-)

Jens

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Chip,

I will be flying a Mooney (N4201U). I will actually be departing on Sunday
morning for the lake house at Deerfield (TN44). It seems like most of you
know about that airport. The return trip will be all the way back to
Dayton.

I won't know if I am talking to you or not.

Thanks in advance for the information,
Kevin

"Chip Jones" wrote in message
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"Kevin Chandler" wrote in message
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I will be flying in 4A7.

I will be returning to Dayton Ohio, Dayton-Wright Brother airport
(MGY).


Kevin, I'll snag a copy of the ATC race procedures for this year and try
to
remember to post them here for you (and others). We have some specific
procedures in play for this race that are pretty complicated, and which
formalize how Atlanta Approach and Atlanta Center will deal with race
departures. That race always ends during our busy Sunday departure push
off
of Hartsfield. Throw in a good VFR day and we will be sunk. And of
course
we don't have the staffing to add extra people to handle the workload like
we used to, so service will not be nearly as good as it should.

If I were wanting an IFR, I'd not count on getting a pop-up until I was
well
north of Atlanta, like 100 miles north. You will hear the freq congestion
on Atlanta Departure 126.97 and 121.0, and it will be just as bad on
Atlanta
Center 133.1 (where you will want to be about 40 north of ATL). Getting
into the system IFR would be easier on the ground during this time frame.
If you file an IFR and depart VFR, you may not get a clearance due to
workload on any of those three freqs. You may not even be able to get a
word in edgewise for VFR F/F if it is super busy. There will be a temp
tower in place at 4A7 and I don't believe that you will get much of more
of
a departure delay for IFR launch than you will get for a VFR launch
depending on how you stand in the taxi que.

What will you be flying? I should be working (ARTCC North Departure on
133.1), from the ground up to FL230 about 35-40 north of Atlanta and then
all the way to Kentucky.

Regards,

Chip, ZTL

"Kevin Chandler" wrote in message
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Chip,

I will be flying a Mooney (N4201U). I will actually be departing on
Sunday
morning for the lake house at Deerfield (TN44). It seems like most of you
know about that airport. The return trip will be all the way back to
Dayton.

I won't know if I am talking to you or not.

Thanks in advance for the information,
Kevin


Kevin,

I'm at work Sunday from 0530 to 1500, and again that night from 2300 until
0700 Monday. We won't implement any "race traffic procedures" until the
afternoon on departures because they are a pain in the @ss for both Tracon
and ARTCC. In fact, IFR departure clearances shouldn't be hard to fit in
until the Nascar Air Force cranks up when the race ends. When you launch
I'll be on Center 133.1 and 127.05 there on the north side of Atlanta. That
is, if we don't have our one radar trainee plugged in at North Departure.
You'll be able to tell if the Center guy is a trainee. Our guy is an
ex-Tower Supervisor from a Level Two and he's struggling. You'll hear the
Delta boys eating his lunch on freq, hehehe. Your flight to TN44, if
launched IFR, will be routed out of the "North Two" Gate, aka NOTWO. You'll
get vectors through the gate (about the ATL010030) from Departure, and then
a handoff to ZTL. We'll clear you direct VXV direct, or just direct TN44 if
you ask.

If you launch VFR, you may be in luck for radar service from A80 going
northbound. If so, you likely will still get terminated as you leave Tracon
airspace. It should be really easy to either pick-up IFR or get F/F from
the Center assuming you beat the race crowd. If you are coming out from
under the Class B VFR along the east side of ATL, you may be far enough east
that your direct route to TN44 will be through a different ZTL sector from
mine. East of a line from LZU (Gwinnett County) to HRS VOR to VXV, you'll
want to be talking to ZTL on freq 134.8. At any rate, we expect to be very
very busy as the race ends but just routine until then. Once the show
starts, you likely won't be able to get an IFR pop-up or pick-up within 80
miles north or east of ATL no matter who you talk to.

As far as Deerfield, for most of us, it's relatively new in the world of
airport ID's. It's a resort airport, right? Some guys who used to fly in
there IFR/IMC before it had the ATC designator would do crazy stuff like
shoot approaches into Campbell County (JAU), cancel below the layer, and
then scud-run down through the weeds to get to Deerfield. That's how I
discovered Deerfield myself, one of those guys scared the daylights out of
me when he didn't cancel and didn't show up at JAU when we went looking for
him. Into JAU, we lose radar and radio with you at about 4000-4500 feet, so
I had no clue he wasn't actually landing there. He called from Deerfield to
cancel. That wouldn't have been you, would it? :-)

Chip, ZTL

I'll try to get those race procedures posted in the next couple of days. I
have to get them from our staff guys, and they haven't bothered yet to dust
them off for us...

"Chip Jones" wrote in message
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I'll try to get those race procedures posted in the next couple of days.
I
have to get them from our staff guys, and they haven't bothered yet to
dust
them off for us...


Race procedures shouldn't effect most piston aircraft departing Atlanta
terminal area Sunday even when they get cranked up. The procedures impact
aircraft leaving 4A7 for Nascar home airports, most of which are in the
Charlotte NC area. Going north to MGY, it should be transparent except for
the volume (which will impact pop-up and pick-up service availability).

Chip, ZTL