Pilots Bailing Out

The Notam says do not circle or loiter near the Nuclear plants. It'll
be hard pressed to say an aircraft on Victor airway a few thousand feet
above passing over as circle or loitering, considering how high MOCA
usually is on west coast airways.

Larry Dighera wrote:


In your area, the nuke plant does not affect your flight planning, but
on the west coast shoreline, south of KSNA, the nuke plant is located
adjacent to Victor 23. A pilot who may inadvertently violate the
NOTAM, and suffers an FAA enforcement action (or a stinger missile),
might consider the experience daunting enough to quit.

On 2 Oct 2006 08:24:39 -0700, "Denny" wrote in
om:

they removed the nuke plants from the av charts

I found your comment humorous, but you'll find San Onofre still
depicted as a visual reporting point labeled "San Onofre Power Plant"
on the Los Angeles Terminal Chart.

Larry Dighera wrote:

In your area, the nuke plant does not affect your flight planning, but
on the west coast shoreline, south of KSNA, the nuke plant is located
adjacent to Victor 23. A pilot who may inadvertently violate the
NOTAM, and suffers an FAA enforcement action (or a stinger missile),
might consider the experience daunting enough to quit.


I live near TWO nuke plants and fly over them all the time. Neither of
them is far from an airport, one plant is near two public airports.
I've never been shot at, or for that matter, even questioned.

The restriction is usually worded as "loiter" or something like that.
One of the plants near me is undergoing decommissioning, and is located
in a practice area used by several local flight schools, so in reality,
planes loiter over it all the time.

Both plants are depicted on the sectional as "stacks".

"Denny" wrote in message
ps.com...
Jay, they removed the nuke plants from the av charts so the terrorists
cannot find them and loiter around... If you KNOW where they are, it
raises questions... I see a tour of Guantanamo in your future... Big
Brother is watching, you know...

Or, as the "Holiday" season is almost upon us, BIG SANTA is watching you: He
see's you when you're sleeping...he knows when you're awake!!


Matt "Paranoid" Barrow

--
A nation can survive its fools, and even the
ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from
within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable,
for he is known and carries his banner openly.
But the traitor moves amongst those within
the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through
all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government
itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he
speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and
he wears their face and their arguments, he
appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the
hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation,
he works secretly and unknown in the night
to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects
the body politic so that it can no longer resist.
A murderer is less to fear. -- Marcus Tullius Cicero

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...
(BTW: That plant is so far off the beaten trail, I've only over-flown
it once in 9 years, out of something like 900 flights. And THAT was as
a co-pilot.)

Awh, come on, Jay... All of Iowa is far off the beaten trail... grin

I flew by it a few times when I was up there... It's not like there is
anything interesting to see there... It's a break from the fields of corn
and bean that the rest of Iowa seems to be made up of...

In your area, the nuke plant does not affect your flight planning, but
on the west coast shoreline, south of KSNA, the nuke plant is located
adjacent to Victor 23. A pilot who may inadvertently violate the
NOTAM, and suffers an FAA enforcement action (or a stinger missile),
might consider the experience daunting enough to quit.

What are you flying that is so slow that you can be considered to be
"loitering" whilst traversing a Victor Airway?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

wrote:
I have received a lot of emails from my customer base since I announced
the shutdown of my flight planning software business. In addition to a
lot of nice supportive emails, I have seen a significant number from
pilots who have informed me that they stopped renewing their update
subscription because they stopped flying, and/or sold their airplane.

The main reason given was the higher cost of fuel and the liability
risk/airspace restrictions imposed since 9/11. Losing a medical
certificate was a much smaller number than those that simply quit due
to costs/hassle factor.

How many of you are know pilots that have given up flying as a result
of the increasing cost of flying and the new restrictions? Is the
total active pilot headcount shrinking? By how much? Even if the
total pilot population holds at its current level, the % of the U.S.
population that is pilot rated is declining since the overall
population is growing.

If this trend is real, then it would appear that indeed single piston
engine GA is slowly dying in the U.S. Growth in the VLJ market
respresents a different kind of GA, and tells me that aviation is going
to become the domain of the wealthy individual, corporations, and the
airlines...

Dean Wilkinson
Razor's Edge Software

We had friends who used to rent an airplane every weekend and do
something. After 9/11 they bought a boat. We kept in touch for a bit ...

We are in the DC area.

Margy

wrote:

LSA to the rescue?

Don

LSA seems suited more for local flying, not cross country. I am still
witholding judgment on what impact LSA will really have...

Dean

But the EAA says you can use your LSA ticket to fly "across the
county". LMAO!!!!

http://www.sportpilot.org/newpilot/where_fly.html

I suppose, technically, it is true. Technically, you could also travel
cross country by pogo stick.

On 4 Oct 2006 09:46:20 -0700, "Skylune" wrote in
.com:


But the EAA says you can use your LSA ticket to fly "across the
county". LMAO!!!!

http://www.sportpilot.org/newpilot/where_fly.html

I suppose, technically, it is true. Technically, you could also travel
cross country by pogo stick.

The New York City-based free lance aviation writer/photographer
Russell Munson (probably best known for his pictures in Richard Bach's
Jonathon Livingston Seagull) decided a while back to take his
cherished Piper Super Cub on some journeys of discovery and this DVD
was the result.

http://www.landings.com/_landings/pa...ing-Route.html

LSA seems suited more for local flying, not cross country. I am still
witholding judgment on what impact LSA will really have...

But the EAA says you can use your LSA ticket to fly "across the
county". LMAO!!!!

Um, Skylune, once again your ignorance is showing. There are a good
number of Light Sport Aircraft with speeds that rival Cherokee 140s or
Cessna 172s -- and those planes are used for cross-country flying every
day.

And flying with an LSA ticket is limited in some ways -- but with
modern navigational tools, it's really child's play to fly
cross-country in the US.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"