Whatever happened to ?

"Krztalizer" wrote in message
...

Whatever happened to nice americans? What went wrong?


Well, you see, sometimes we get attacked by people and our tradition is to get
damned unfriendly with those that did it, ...

Were any of those people from Iraq? Hint: no

Vaughn

On Sun, 23 May 2004 21:55:09 +0200, "Emmanuel Gustin"
wrote:

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
news
You need to broaden your circle of friends. Go back to the 2000
elections and check the "red states and blue states". Visit some of
the 40 red states of what we like to call "the Heartland" of America.

Frankly, considering the treatment "Homeland Security"
now is planning to give to foreign visitors, which includes
photographing, fingerprinting, and writing down what we
had for lunch on the aircraft ("did not have pork -- possible
terrorist"), I am not exactly looking forward to travelling to
the USA again. (I probably can't avoid it.) Not that I can
otherwise complain about the hospitality of Americans;
as an inhabitant of "Old Europe" at its oldest, I have never
encountered any hostility.

The "good news" is that your treatment isn't much worse than what
domestic air travelers experience these days. I've become a "frequent
driver" rather than a "frequent flier" for most trips.

And, I could tell you some horror stories of travels to other
nations--I recall a particularly tedious trip to Morocco and an
"unusual" border crossing between Turkey and Syria.

As for Europe, I lived there for nearly eight years and must freely
acknowledge that European hospitality was excellent.

Avoid E. Coast universities, upscale big city yuppie neighborhoods and
welfare-dependent inner city areas. Meet farmers, business owners,
entrepreneurs, managers, supervisors, and military folks (particularly
seek out some Vietnam vets like officers or ex-POWs).

I wasn't claiming to wide statistics, nor citing any "evidence."
I was just making a personal observation.

As for the statistics, most of the people I met in the USA probably
fall in the "business owners, entrepreneurs, managers, supervisors"
category, even if they had an university education; people with
purely academic jobs were a minority.

Unfortunately for America, the level of political discourse has
plummeted in recent years. Few Americans seem to have a clue about the
complexities of political events and most seem quite content to
ignorantly regurgitate the last sound bite that fit their particularl
political ideology.

The President still holds a greater than 60% approval rating

Latest polls give figures well below 50%, AFAIK.

Be sure to distinguish between the "approval rating" polls and the
election polling.

The Chinese curse is definitely operative--we live in interesting
times.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

In article ,
(B2431) wrote:

From: (miso)

snip

My blood
still boils when I think of Bush reading to those kids in Florida well
after the **** hit the fan.

What would you have him do? Jump up and leave the room? That would lead
to
confusion and speculation beyond what was already going on and it would
have
upset the children in the room. Do you really think that few minutes
would have
meant anything?

If there has been a potential attack on the United States that may
involve subsequent attacks, and command decisions by the National
Command Authority, it was irresponsible for him to do anything except
have the Secret Service clear the fastest path possible, guns drawn, and
GET HIM AIRBORNE. That's basic Continuity of Government doctrine. Once
there were multiple attacks, as well as Flight 93's projected path, I
wouldn't have objected to activating the Joint Emergency Evacuation Plan.

Lots of things upset children. They get over it, mostly. Bush saying
'I must go now" would probably been less stressful than a denial of
Santa Claus.

As far as "a few minutes meaning anything", yes. Given one significant
attack, there was no certainty the NCA wasn't targeted.

Were any of those people trained in Iraq; and funded by Iraq?

If you have been objective in the news sources you follow, you wouldn't need
a hint . . .

Steve Swartz


"Vaughn" wrote in message
...

"Krztalizer" wrote in message
...

Whatever happened to nice americans? What went wrong?


Well, you see, sometimes we get attacked by people and our tradition is
to get
damned unfriendly with those that did it, ...

Were any of those people from Iraq? Hint: no

Vaughn

In article ,
on Sun, 23 May 2004 12:49:36 GMT,
Grantland attempted to say .....

"Keith Willshaw" wrote:


"Anne" wrote in message
...
Can you tell what ever happened to nice americans?


Some Islamic extremists killed large numbers of them and
did billions of dollars worth of damage. This understandably
ticked them off somewhat.

Keith

Proof? Neo-con traitors and Mossad did 9/11. That is the fact.
There is no doubt.

You have proof of course....

--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

In article , Glenfiddich
wrote:

On 23 May 2004 21:10:46 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

From: (miso)

snip

My blood
still boils when I think of Bush reading to those kids in Florida well
after the **** hit the fan.

What would you have him do? Jump up and leave the room? That would lead
to
confusion and speculation beyond what was already going on and it would
have
upset the children in the room. Do you really think that few minutes
would have
meant anything?

And, as anyone could realise if they *thought* about the logistics, it
they would have taken _at_least_ 10 minutes to organise the motorcade
for an unscheduled departure - especially with the new security worry
of a suicide attack on the president himself

At any Presidential appearance I've ever attended -- and that's been a
fair number in getting close to 40 years in the DC area -- there is
ALWAYS a getaway team on alert -- usually one or two armored limos, a
Secret Service Suburban or the like, and local police.

The pretty well-known drill is that someone yelling "GUN!" on the Secret
Service frequency means GET HIM OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW!

No -- it was aliens from the planet Mongo, masquerading as fanatical
Muslim fundamentalists, who did it!



As far as I could remember the same aliens from the planet Mongo,but this time
masquerading as fanatical communists,burned down Reichstag.

At any Presidential appearance I've ever attended -- and that's been a
fair number in getting close to 40 years in the DC area -- there is
ALWAYS a getaway team on alert -- usually one or two armored limos, a
Secret Service Suburban or the like, and local police.

The pretty well-known drill is that someone yelling "GUN!" on the Secret
Service frequency means GET HIM OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW!

Too much security for a position with ceremonial duties only.

Emmanuel Gustin wrote:

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
news


You need to broaden your circle of friends. Go back to the 2000
elections and check the "red states and blue states". Visit some of
the 40 red states of what we like to call "the Heartland" of America.



Frankly, considering the treatment "Homeland Security"
now is planning to give to foreign visitors, which includes
photographing, fingerprinting, and writing down what we
had for lunch on the aircraft ("did not have pork -- possible
terrorist"), I am not exactly looking forward to travelling to
the USA again. (I probably can't avoid it.) Not that I can
otherwise complain about the hospitality of Americans;
as an inhabitant of "Old Europe" at its oldest, I have never
encountered any hostility.



Avoid E. Coast universities, upscale big city yuppie neighborhoods and
welfare-dependent inner city areas. Meet farmers, business owners,
entrepreneurs, managers, supervisors, and military folks (particularly
seek out some Vietnam vets like officers or ex-POWs).



I wasn't claiming to wide statistics, nor citing any "evidence."
I was just making a personal observation.

As for the statistics, most of the people I met in the USA probably
fall in the "business owners, entrepreneurs, managers, supervisors"
category, even if they had an university education; people with
purely academic jobs were a minority.



The President still holds a greater than 60% approval rating



Latest polls give figures well below 50%, AFAIK.



Well then, you're most certainly welcome to stay home! If you find us so
distasteful, you should not risk upsetting your delicate self by coming
here!

Grantland wrote:

"Keith Willshaw" wrote:



"Anne" wrote in message
...


Can you tell what ever happened to nice americans?



Some Islamic extremists killed large numbers of them and
did billions of dollars worth of damage. This understandably
ticked them off somewhat.

Keith



Proof? Neo-con traitors and Mossad did 9/11. That is the fact.
There is no doubt.

Grant


Ignore----FITH