new SSA web site

I received the new web site announcement email from the SSA on April 1 saying that in the next 24 hours I would get a link to reset my password. It is now April 7 and nothing thus far (yep, I checked spam). Reading above it seems others have received the link. Am I the only one left in the cold? Out of curiosity I clicked on the Login button (upper right) and all I see is the "Not a member, want to join?" message.

- Yes, the rollout should have been done in the fall, not in the spring, so as not to impact the heart of the soaring season.
- Yes, the first "public" incarnation should have been via an alternate URL..
- Yes, the denizens of RAS should have collectively been asked to test and make comments.
- Yes, the password should not need to be 12 digits long. This is not a bank or the NSA. It's ok to require a special character, upper case, number, etc.
- Yes, impacting low speed access users is bad. Every event I have been to has low speed internet.
- Yes, needing two logins is strange. Must be a two phased rollout.
- Yes, captcha is an annoyance. Hopefully, a cookie is set to remember that I am one of the good guys.
- Yes, not being able to click "Remember me" at login is bad.

My $0.02.

- John (OHM)

My $0.02.

- John (OHM)

John- I think your observations are valid, and worth at least $2.

On 4/6/2021 3:13 PM, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 4/6/2021 2:19 PM, Hank Nixon wrote:
On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 1:02:59 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
What Moshe said. ...And I haven't even looked at it (I'm afraid...)


Dan
5J
On 4/6/21 7:01 AM, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 4/6/2021 1:18 AM, Eric Bick (DY) wrote:
Try this:
Â*From the new SSA homepage, mouse over the "Membership" tab. This
brings up three options and you want the "Members" Only Resources." Go
down to "Member Services" and click on that. This will bring you to a
page with "SSA Member Resources." Click on the "Log In" button. That
brings you to a login page, for which you use your "old" login info.
Login and you will be greeted by your name. Go to the "Home Page" and
you will now be in the old SSA website links (the underlay to the new
webpage) and will be able to find info you are familiar with across
the board - the "old" racing menu, records, calendar, Johnson Report
access, etc. As time goes on, the front page should eventually provide
a smooth interface to all this.

With newfangled web programming it may look different to different
viewers, but I don't see a membership "tab". In the drop-down menu (the
three lines icon in the upper right) there is a "membership" entry. If
I click on it I get a page with nothing useful. If instead I click on
the drop-down arrow on the right end of that "membership" line, I see
"Members Only Resources". If I click on that, it drops down a submenu
of three items: Soaring mag, member locator, and sailplane directory. I
don't see "Member Services" anywhere.

And in any case, why build a "new website" that is just an annoying
overlay over the old website?

If anybody's listening, here's what I'd like to see:
* a "site map" page with links only (no "media")
* one login that gets you to *everything*
* an option to "remember me" so you don't have to login every time
* let me choose a short password I can remember
* no "Captcha"


I did the following:
Go to https://members.ssa.org/login.asp.
This asks for member ID and password.Â* My information is the same as
it has been for years. ID is my membership number and then my old
password.
This gets to SSA Member Resources.
Select My Home Page
That gets to much of the original SSA home page. Not all the links are
there, but the ones important to me, and contest pilots, are all there
and functional.
Some things have not worked. When I have found glitches I have advised
Frank Whiteley. He has been very responsive in trying to get them
resolved.
When a few of us were consulted last Fall we advised not to mess with
the stuff deeper in the site that works because that all is very
involved and no doubt beyond what the web site developer consultant
will be able to do. My advice was to get the new face working with
absolutely the least effect on the underlying functions as possible.
It appears that the current situation does the latter.
FWIW
UH

Thanks Hank.Â* That does work for me.Â* I've now bookmarked that login
page, and also this one in case it remembers my login:
https://members.ssa.org/MyHome.asp


Well apparently it does NOT remember my login. Even though this is the
"old web site" section, and the real old web site did remember my login.
So bookmark the login page UH pointed to. At least my browser
remembers my username and password for that login page.

And yes "member locator" is under "News", after you go to "my home
page". As are "sailplane locator" and "webinars"...

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 7:24:58 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
My $0.02.


I got there by just punching “Racing� tabs..........Sailplane Racing.......Racing Results........Sign in........brings you to the old racing pages...........Contest Results........Active Contests......Sailplane Racing......Results........etc.
JJ
B

WOW!!!

I just looked at ssa.org and my head is spinning! I guess you gotta be
a teenager with a cell phone grafted to your arm to appreciate that.

I tried "Member Locator" under "News" and didn't find it. I finally
found the member locator by starting at "members.ssa.org" then "My Home
Page" then "News"

My original password worked for that.

Dan
5J

On 4/7/21 8:47 AM, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 4/6/2021 3:13 PM, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 4/6/2021 2:19 PM, Hank Nixon wrote:
On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 1:02:59 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
What Moshe said. ...And I haven't even looked at it (I'm afraid...)


Dan
5J
On 4/6/21 7:01 AM, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 4/6/2021 1:18 AM, Eric Bick (DY) wrote:
Try this:
Â*From the new SSA homepage, mouse over the "Membership" tab. This
brings up three options and you want the "Members" Only
Resources." Go
down to "Member Services" and click on that. This will bring you to a
page with "SSA Member Resources." Click on the "Log In" button. That
brings you to a login page, for which you use your "old" login info.
Login and you will be greeted by your name. Go to the "Home Page" and
you will now be in the old SSA website links (the underlay to the new
webpage) and will be able to find info you are familiar with across
the board - the "old" racing menu, records, calendar, Johnson Report
access, etc. As time goes on, the front page should eventually
provide
a smooth interface to all this.

With newfangled web programming it may look different to different
viewers, but I don't see a membership "tab". In the drop-down menu
(the
three lines icon in the upper right) there is a "membership" entry. If
I click on it I get a page with nothing useful. If instead I click on
the drop-down arrow on the right end of that "membership" line, I see
"Members Only Resources". If I click on that, it drops down a submenu
of three items: Soaring mag, member locator, and sailplane
directory. I
don't see "Member Services" anywhere.

And in any case, why build a "new website" that is just an annoying
overlay over the old website?

If anybody's listening, here's what I'd like to see:
* a "site map" page with links only (no "media")
* one login that gets you to *everything*
* an option to "remember me" so you don't have to login every time
* let me choose a short password I can remember
* no "Captcha"


I did the following:
Go to https://members.ssa.org/login.asp.
This asks for member ID and password.Â* My information is the same as
it has been for years. ID is my membership number and then my old
password.
This gets to SSA Member Resources.
Select My Home Page
That gets to much of the original SSA home page. Not all the links
are there, but the ones important to me, and contest pilots, are all
there and functional.
Some things have not worked. When I have found glitches I have
advised Frank Whiteley. He has been very responsive in trying to get
them resolved.
When a few of us were consulted last Fall we advised not to mess with
the stuff deeper in the site that works because that all is very
involved and no doubt beyond what the web site developer consultant
will be able to do. My advice was to get the new face working with
absolutely the least effect on the underlying functions as possible.
It appears that the current situation does the latter.
FWIW
UH

Thanks Hank.Â* That does work for me.Â* I've now bookmarked that login
page, and also this one in case it remembers my login:
https://members.ssa.org/MyHome.asp


Well apparently it does NOT remember my login.Â* Even though this is the
"old web site" section, and the real old web site did remember my login.
Â*So bookmark the login page UH pointed to.Â* At least my browser
remembers my username and password for that login page.

And yes "member locator" is under "News", after you go to "my home
page".Â* As are "sailplane locator" and "webinars"...

I had said above, 'Out of curiosity I clicked on the Login button (upper right) and all I saw was the "Not a member. Join today!" message'. This was using Chrome on an Android phone.

I tried it again on a PC. When I hover over the Login button it shows the "Not a member..." message. But when I click on the Login button I go right to the Login web page (https://www.ssa.org/wp-login.php).

The confusion is when using a cell phone there is no such thing as hovering.. Thus when I clicked on the Login button I get the "Not a member..." message and then I had to click another time on the Login button to get to the Login web page (https://www.ssa.org/wp-login.php).

PS - I was able to login to both the new way (had to reset my password) and the old way to get to http://members.ssa/org and all the good stuff. No Captcha was required.

- John (OHM)

I just got an email from that says we must reset our password before using the new site. Apparently they sent a link to do this out last Friday but many people did not get it. So they sent it again: https://www.ssa.org/my-account/lost-password/
Clicking on that it was immediatly blocked by my ad blocker, Ublock Origin. It says that the website is also opening "icptrack.com". Googling that tells me that " This address is a tracker for a mass email sender." Now why does the SSA need to TRACK who clicks on this link?
Another comment found says that "WARNING: Caution. This site participates in fraud and scam. The site is listed, verified and confirmed as a phish on PhishTank. http://www.phishtank.com/index.php " Come on SSA, you can do better than this!

I just got a reply from the SSA (Alexa Owens) and she apoligized and sent me this link: https://www.ssa.org/my-account/lost-password/
which looks identical to me to the one they sent. But somehow, this one does not have the Tracking problem the first one had.
Maybe they shut off the tracking requirement??

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 2:45:54 PM UTC-5, Soartech wrote:
I just got a reply from the SSA (Alexa Owens) and she apoligized and sent me this link: https://www.ssa.org/my-account/lost-password/
which looks identical to me to the one they sent. But somehow, this one does not have the Tracking problem the first one had.
Maybe they shut off the tracking requirement??
So have others been successful in setting up a password per the instructions sent out today? I've tried 4 times now over the last 2 hours and I've yet to receive a password reset responder email. Yes, I've looked in spam and nothing is there either.

Robert

On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 12:37:15 -0700, Soartech wrote:

I just got an email from that says we must reset our
password before using the new site. Apparently they sent a link to do
this out last Friday but many people did not get it. So they sent it
again: https://www.ssa.org/my-account/lost-password/
Clicking on that it was immediatly blocked by my ad blocker, Ublock
Origin. It says that the website is also opening "icptrack.com".
Googling that tells me that " This address is a tracker for a mass email
sender." Now why does the SSA need to TRACK who clicks on this link?
Another comment found says that "WARNING: Caution. This site
participates in fraud and scam. The site is listed, verified and
confirmed as a phish on PhishTank. http://www.phishtank.com/index.php
" Come on SSA, you can do better than this!

A personal view from across the pond:

Have you (Soartech) passed this information on to SSA, just as I would
pass similar information to the BGA?

If not, you should do so, because they need to take steps to get off the
phishtank.com list and would be well advised to get off anything like
icptrack.com as well - unless, of course, they're planning to raise some
cash by spamming or letting others pay to do so.

Personally, I take a dim view if spammers and run Spamassassin at home to
(a) bin spam automatically and (b) to keep tabs on those who try to spam
me. But of course ymmv.


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