Garmin buys UPS AT...

Big news...
http://www.garmin.com/pressroom/corporate/072403b.html



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If you don't like Garmin, go buy a KLN-94, simple as that. There are enough
KLN-series GPS units out there to make the Garmin dominance far from a
monopoly.



"The Customer Suffers" wrote in message
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I'd expect prices to soon go thru the roof, now that they have the
monopoly over the aviation GPS market.



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"The Customer Suffers" wrote in message
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I'd expect prices to soon go thru the roof, now that they have the
monopoly over the aviation GPS market.

I wonder... in a market this small one could argue that 2 dominant players
is all it can hold over the long term. Will certainly keep prices favorable
to the manufacturers but stability for customers might be a benefit. I
would hate to 'invest' in a panel and have the company fail 3 years from
now. Just a thought.

The Customer Suffers wrote:

I'd expect prices to soon go thru the roof, now that they have the
monopoly over the aviation GPS market.

I think you meant to say light aircraft GPS market. No high end biz
jets or airliners have Garmin equipment. Compared to what the big boys
use, the Garmin 530 is a stubborn toy.

In article ,
"Dave Stadt" wrote:
"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
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If you can't beat em - buy em!

In this case it was......If you can't beat em - sell out to em.



It would appear that UPSAT had technology that Garmin did not, which
would indicate to me that Garmin was the technological underdog. If
there was nothing there for Garmin, they wouldn't have bothered with the
aquisition.



JKG

In rec.aviation.owning wrote:

: I think you meant to say light aircraft GPS market. No high end biz
: jets or airliners have Garmin equipment. Compared to what the big boys
: use, the Garmin 530 is a stubborn toy.

Hmmm, I'm not sure what you mean by airliner, but most airliners today
are flying with DME/DME RNAV (like a KNS-80). The stuff that makes a lot
of takeoffs - commuter airliners - probably has 2 VORs and a DME, no
autopilot.

One of my friends was flying with a major east-coast commuter in the
San Juan area. Their ATR72's had KLN89B GPS units.
--
Aaron Coolidge (N9376J)

I think that would only be part of the picture. Acquisitions are rarely that
cut-and-dry. Other factors that may have played into the decision include
reduction in competition, staff augmentation, clients (there may be an
underlying lucrative deal to supply UPS aircraft), R&D contracts (ADS-B),
and the all-too-underestimated "personal" reasons. Min worked with some of
these guys back in the Bendix-King days.

We'll never know the full picture unless we hear it from one of the
insider's themselves.

Marco

"Jonathan Goodish" wrote in message

It would appear that UPSAT had technology that Garmin did not, which
would indicate to me that Garmin was the technological underdog. If
there was nothing there for Garmin, they wouldn't have bothered with the
aquisition.


JKG



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Aaron Coolidge wrote:

In rec.aviation.owning wrote:

: I think you meant to say light aircraft GPS market. No high end biz
: jets or airliners have Garmin equipment. Compared to what the big boys
: use, the Garmin 530 is a stubborn toy.

Hmmm, I'm not sure what you mean by airliner, but most airliners today
are flying with DME/DME RNAV (like a KNS-80). The stuff that makes a lot
of takeoffs - commuter airliners - probably has 2 VORs and a DME, no
autopilot.

The King unit is a VOR/DME rho/theta unit. When the first glass cockpit
airliners came out circa 1980, they had triple IRS units as the primary
platform with DME/DME as the primary update in domestic airspace. When
DME/DME update is available it is vastly superior to VOR/DME update. Also,
although GPS was not part of this LNAV/FMS suite until perhaps 10 years ago,
these early systems had full airway databases, and the ability to input data
without turning knobs.

The later systems use GPS as the primary sensor, and many of them can use RF
legs, etc, etc.

But, to compare a full IRS database system with DME/DME updating to the King
gludge is major apples and oranges.





One of my friends was flying with a major east-coast commuter in the
San Juan area. Their ATR72's had KLN89B GPS units.
--
Aaron Coolidge (N9376J)

"Aaron Coolidge" wrote in message
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In rec.aviation.owning wrote:

: I think you meant to say light aircraft GPS market. No high end biz
: jets or airliners have Garmin equipment. Compared to what the big boys
: use, the Garmin 530 is a stubborn toy.

Hmmm, I'm not sure what you mean by airliner, but most airliners today
are flying with DME/DME RNAV (like a KNS-80). The stuff that makes a lot
of takeoffs - commuter airliners - probably has 2 VORs and a DME, no
autopilot.

For the high end business jets, Global, UNS and CMC all make FMS/GPS in one.

One of my friends was flying with a major east-coast commuter in the
San Juan area. Their ATR72's had KLN89B GPS units.

The Garmins are going in up through turbo props too, but there is a
possibility panel mounts will begin to show up in 727s and other types near
end of life.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE

********If you don't like Garmin, go buy a KLN-94, simple as that. There are
enough KLN-series GPS units out there to make the Garmin dominance far from
a monopoly.
**********


Unfortunately, King was slow to the GPS scene and never caught up. The
KLN-94 is ANCIENT technology compared to the latest Garmin/Upsat units.


Karl