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"Roy Smith" wrote in message ... Hamish Reid wrote: vi, humph. It's ed. Kids these days... :-). Anyone else for teco? Never did any TECO, but I did use SOS, a close cousin. Used to be pretty good at the 029 card punch too :-) SOS is to TECO what a J3 is to a G-IV. -Ron .. MAKE LOVE NOT WAR? [4K CORE] |
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Roy Smith wrote: Hamish Reid wrote: vi, humph. It's ed. Kids these days... :-). Anyone else for teco? Never did any TECO, but I did use SOS, a close cousin. Used to be pretty good at the 029 card punch too :-) SOS? Luxury! I used to enter things with the front panel switches on the PDP-11 (all too true, unfortunately -- I really am *not* nostalgic for those days. Give me a nice G5 Mac any day). Hamish (who once had his own vast 2.5Mb RK05 disk) |
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Hamish Reid wrote: In article , Roy Smith wrote: Hamish Reid wrote: vi, humph. It's ed. Kids these days... :-). Anyone else for teco? Never did any TECO, but I did use SOS, a close cousin. Used to be pretty good at the 029 card punch too :-) SOS? Luxury! I used to enter things with the front panel switches on the PDP-11 Been there, done that. Give me a nice G5 Mac any day Like the 12" PowerBook I'm typing this on? It's actually quite a modest machine by today's standards: 1 GHz G4 processor, 512 meg ram, 40 gig disk, wireless ethernet, read/write CD/DVD, blah, blah, blah, but just try and carry an 11/45 onto the subway and see how far you get. |
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Hamish Reid wrote:
In article , Roy Smith wrote: Hamish Reid wrote: vi, humph. It's ed. Kids these days... :-). Anyone else for teco? Never did any TECO, but I did use SOS, a close cousin. Used to be pretty good at the 029 card punch too :-) SOS? Luxury! I used to enter things with the front panel switches on the PDP-11 (all too true, unfortunately -- I really am *not* nostalgic for those days. Give me a nice G5 Mac any day). Hamish (who once had his own vast 2.5Mb RK05 disk) I still liked the RL02 better! :-) Matt |
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Roy Smith wrote:
In article , Hamish Reid wrote: In article , Roy Smith wrote: Hamish Reid wrote: vi, humph. It's ed. Kids these days... :-). Anyone else for teco? Never did any TECO, but I did use SOS, a close cousin. Used to be pretty good at the 029 card punch too :-) SOS? Luxury! I used to enter things with the front panel switches on the PDP-11 Been there, done that. Give me a nice G5 Mac any day Like the 12" PowerBook I'm typing this on? It's actually quite a modest machine by today's standards: 1 GHz G4 processor, 512 meg ram, 40 gig disk, wireless ethernet, read/write CD/DVD, blah, blah, blah, but just try and carry an 11/45 onto the subway and see how far you get. Why, who would mug you for an 11/45! :-) Matt |
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"Roy Smith" wrote in message ... Steven P. McNicoll wrote: Does this possibility make you nervous while the radar is working? Nope. The loss of radar will not cause the ATC facility to hit an aircraft or terrain. But it could cause an aircraft to hit an ATC facility. Probably why you guys are moving all those tracons off the fields and into safe locations in the middle of nowhere. LOL! One of the standard jokes around the Center here is that no matter how bad you screw up, at least the wreckage won't hit the building... Chip, ZTL |
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"David Brooks" wrote in message ... Question for the enroute controllers. You have a spamcan or two, not filed /G, cleared direct to some fix. You don't care whether they are navigating with pilotage, a VFR GPS, or a ham sandwich, so long as they are on radar and don't go too grotesquely out of the way. Now the radar goes kaplooey, or whatever noise radar makes when it decides not to be radar any more. In a Center, it sounds exactly like 100 controllers and engineers all saying "Oh ****!" at the same time... How do you get these guys into the no-radar rules - point them at the nearest navaid? Tell them to join the nearest airway? How do you maintain separation? We fake it while we transition into non-radar... Literally. You can't just point everyone at an airway, and the theory of aiming everyone at the nearest navaid could be downright dangerous in busy airspace. There are some super busy ATC sectors that only have one navaid in the whole sector, and in airspace where the average aircraft is doing six to eight miles a minute. Not necessarily the safest idea to take people off of random nav direct destination to put them over the nearest navaid choke point and on airways as your first move. You transition to non-radar airplane by airplane as you can and as the strips indicate is safe. No body buys a deal when the automated system collapses because it is usually impossible to go immediately from radar (5 miles) to non radar (20 miles) separation. A good Center controller can put three fast moving aircraft at the same altitude into an 18 mile ring of airspace using radar separation. Turn that radar off and now he needs 60 miles for the same three planes by procedure unless he can establish another non-radar rule to reduce the bubble. Does this possibility make you nervous while the radar is working? Not at all. It happens from time to time that the system goes belly up. You just hope it happens on your day off. Twice I've seen both the primary system (NAS) and the back-up system (DARC) go tits-up. That's where the much-maligned, low-tech, old fashioned flight progress strip comes in handy. Funny how the pointy headed contractor technocrats keep trying to convince us that paper strips are "obsolete". The thing is, strips *never* break. Chip, ZTL |
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Personally, I like the washing-machine-like RP06. I love the seek tests
that looks like someone put it on the "spin" cycle with a couple of wet towels off-center. "ed" if I have to (if things are really screwed up), but use VI regularly on a headless server. SOS? Now that's a blast from the past. Matthew S. Whiting wrote: Hamish Reid wrote: In article , Roy Smith wrote: Hamish Reid wrote: vi, humph. It's ed. Kids these days... :-). Anyone else for teco? Never did any TECO, but I did use SOS, a close cousin. Used to be pretty good at the 029 card punch too :-) SOS? Luxury! I used to enter things with the front panel switches on the PDP-11 (all too true, unfortunately -- I really am *not* nostalgic for those days. Give me a nice G5 Mac any day). Hamish (who once had his own vast 2.5Mb RK05 disk) I still liked the RL02 better! :-) Matt -- Remove "2PLANES" to reply. |
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In article ,
Roy Smith wrote: In article , Hamish Reid wrote: In article , Roy Smith wrote: Hamish Reid wrote: vi, humph. It's ed. Kids these days... :-). Anyone else for teco? Never did any TECO, but I did use SOS, a close cousin. Used to be pretty good at the 029 card punch too :-) SOS? Luxury! I used to enter things with the front panel switches on the PDP-11 Been there, done that. Give me a nice G5 Mac any day Like the 12" PowerBook I'm typing this on? It's actually quite a modest machine by today's standards: 1 GHz G4 processor, 512 meg ram, 40 gig disk, wireless ethernet, read/write CD/DVD, blah, blah, blah, but just try and carry an 11/45 onto the subway and see how far you get. I actually still have the "boot PROM" from an old PDP-11 (not sure which model) -- it's just a standard Unibus board with 16 diodes and a bunch of resistors on it. You cut the diode leads for a zero, left 'em alone (or soldered them back) for a one. It's larger than your PowerBook... Hamish |
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In article ,
Hamish Reid wrote: In article , Roy Smith wrote: In article , Hamish Reid wrote: In article , Roy Smith wrote: Hamish Reid wrote: vi, humph. It's ed. Kids these days... :-). Anyone else for teco? Never did any TECO, but I did use SOS, a close cousin. Used to be pretty good at the 029 card punch too :-) SOS? Luxury! I used to enter things with the front panel switches on the PDP-11 Been there, done that. Give me a nice G5 Mac any day Like the 12" PowerBook I'm typing this on? It's actually quite a modest machine by today's standards: 1 GHz G4 processor, 512 meg ram, 40 gig disk, wireless ethernet, read/write CD/DVD, blah, blah, blah, but just try and carry an 11/45 onto the subway and see how far you get. I actually still have the "boot PROM" from an old PDP-11 (not sure which model) -- it's just a standard Unibus board with 16 diodes and a bunch of resistors on it. You cut the diode leads for a zero, left 'em alone (or soldered them back) for a one. It's larger than your PowerBook... Hamish I'll see your boot prom and raise you a three-board core module from a pdp-8 that's hanging on my wall. Somewhere in the closet I've got some CDC-6600 memory. Probably more interesting from a history of technology point of view, but not as pretty, so it lives in the closet instead of on the wall :-) |
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