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"bush flying" in the suburbs?
Among other aircraft I've been looking at the Zenith Air STOL CH 801
lately, which attracted my attention purely as an inexpensive and eaily built plane to cart my family around. http://www.zenithair.com But the advertised 390-ft fully-loaded ground roll got me fantasizing about all the convenient places I could land with a STOL bush plane. Somebody give me a reality check -- even in relatively densely populated suburbs, there are a number of large open fields suitable for a bush plane. As it happens there is one such within walking distance of my parents' house in the northern D.C. suburbs, and there are other flattish largish open spaces near other places I visit. Has anybody on these newsgroups had any luck convincing random private landowners to let them land on their unimproved property? Anybody even tried? Are there likely to be local ordinances prohibiting intentional off-airport landings in the suburbs? Lets just leave aside for the moment the pesky little question of whether I'm qualified for this kind of adventuring... |
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wrote in message ups.com... But the advertised 390-ft fully-loaded ground roll got me fantasizing about all the convenient places I could land with a STOL bush plane. Somebody give me a reality check Forget about it. The first problem you have is the Washington DC ADIZ. Basically anything within 30 nautical miles of DCA is *very* strictly controlled in terms of arrivals and departures. Assuming you are within this ring there is no chance you would be allowed to land and depart from anywhere except several specially-designated fields and after a ton of other rigmarole. But it is highly unlikely you'd ever get that far. First, there are enough problems in suburbs with noise complaints coming from people who bought houses built five years ago next to an airport that has been around since the Wright bros. were still signing pilots' licenses. To get an idea of what the world is coming to check out www.stopthenoise.org. This is up in Mass., which politically is pretty much the same crowd you get around the Beltway. And the liability? Let's say your engine fails several hundred AGL on takeoff. If you're really in the 'burbs then odds are good you're coming down in a populated area. Whatever gets broken, that property owner whose field you departed from is getting sued. Hopefully it's just somebody's patio furniture and not something more difficult to replace. As for the absolute legality of it, most populated areas have zoning boards that exercise power approaching that of the Soviet Union. There are almost certainly enough catch-alls in there to ensure that you would, at the very least, have to spend a small fortune on lawyers in the process. YMMV. Free advice is often worth every penny you pay for it. -cwk. |
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Go for it. It's not as uncommon as you might think. I live in
Oklahoma City and a couple of guys around here have Super Cubs or Maules that they go goof around in. Within a very short flight most cities there are vast areas of undeveloped land you can land a bush plane on. Here we have two rivers with beautiful smooth sand bars, several motor vehicle recreation areas and myriad fields. A couple of years ago we had a guy in a Maule land in a field to drop his son off at baseball practice at one of our high schools. The local news station sent a truck out to cover the "crash." I think someone called the fire department and they came out to watch him take back off again. It's been a few years, but I think one of the news stations interviewed the local police department who confirmed that there is nothing illegal about landing an airplane in a field (duh). However, check your local laws, most states have some rules about using public roads as your own personal airstrip. I landed in a field once to stop and talk to a land owner. We plopped down next to his pickup truck and chatted for a while. Not really as big a deal as you might think. wrote: Among other aircraft I've been looking at the Zenith Air STOL CH 801 lately, which attracted my attention purely as an inexpensive and eaily built plane to cart my family around. http://www.zenithair.com But the advertised 390-ft fully-loaded ground roll got me fantasizing about all the convenient places I could land with a STOL bush plane. Somebody give me a reality check -- even in relatively densely populated suburbs, there are a number of large open fields suitable for a bush plane. As it happens there is one such within walking distance of my parents' house in the northern D.C. suburbs, and there are other flattish largish open spaces near other places I visit. Has anybody on these newsgroups had any luck convincing random private landowners to let them land on their unimproved property? Anybody even tried? Are there likely to be local ordinances prohibiting intentional off-airport landings in the suburbs? Lets just leave aside for the moment the pesky little question of whether I'm qualified for this kind of adventuring... |
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The first problem you have is the Washington DC ADIZ
Hm, shoots that idea down.... |
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zatatime wrote: In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing facility, which puts the kabosh on your plan for this state. However in PA and NY you can land anywhere you want with prior permission from the owner. I used to know a helicopter pilot who flew Santa in and out of a small field in town, and someone else who'd take their 180 up to NY and land on his buddies farm. Around here we spend more time in the dirt than on pavement. Are you saying that in NJ if I own some acerage I can't use it to land on without the state giving me some kind of approval? |
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That's how flying ought to be. It shouldn't be any more complicated than a
drive in the country or taking a tractor out on the field. Shawn wrote in message ups.com... Go for it. It's not as uncommon as you might think. I live in Oklahoma City and a couple of guys around here have Super Cubs or Maules that they go goof around in. Within a very short flight most cities there are vast areas of undeveloped land you can land a bush plane on. Here we have two rivers with beautiful smooth sand bars, several motor vehicle recreation areas and myriad fields. A couple of years ago we had a guy in a Maule land in a field to drop his son off at baseball practice at one of our high schools. The local news station sent a truck out to cover the "crash." I think someone called the fire department and they came out to watch him take back off again. It's been a few years, but I think one of the news stations interviewed the local police department who confirmed that there is nothing illegal about landing an airplane in a field (duh). However, check your local laws, most states have some rules about using public roads as your own personal airstrip. I landed in a field once to stop and talk to a land owner. We plopped down next to his pickup truck and chatted for a while. Not really as big a deal as you might think. wrote: Among other aircraft I've been looking at the Zenith Air STOL CH 801 lately, which attracted my attention purely as an inexpensive and eaily built plane to cart my family around. http://www.zenithair.com But the advertised 390-ft fully-loaded ground roll got me fantasizing about all the convenient places I could land with a STOL bush plane. Somebody give me a reality check -- even in relatively densely populated suburbs, there are a number of large open fields suitable for a bush plane. As it happens there is one such within walking distance of my parents' house in the northern D.C. suburbs, and there are other flattish largish open spaces near other places I visit. Has anybody on these newsgroups had any luck convincing random private landowners to let them land on their unimproved property? Anybody even tried? Are there likely to be local ordinances prohibiting intentional off-airport landings in the suburbs? Lets just leave aside for the moment the pesky little question of whether I'm qualified for this kind of adventuring... |
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"zatatime" wrote in message
... In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing facility,. . . Define "approved", sil vous plait. Rich S. |
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"Rich S." wrote in message ... "zatatime" wrote in message ... In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing facility,. . . Define "approved", sil vous plait. Rich S. NJ Statues 6:1-2. Definitions As used in this chapter: " Aircraft " means any contrivance invented, used or designed for navigation or flight in the air except a parachute or other contrivance designed for such navigation but used primarily as safety equipment. "Airman" means any person who engages in the navigation or direction of aircraft while under way. "Airport" means any locality, either of land or water, which is used for the landing or taking off of aircraft and which meets the requirements for a rating by the United States department of commerce. "Commission" means the state aviation commission. "Director" means the state director of aviation. "Landing field" means any locality, either of land or water, which is used for the landing or taking off of aircraft and which does not meet the requirements for a rating by the United States department of commerce. 6:1-15. Licensing of airports and landing fields No owner or operator of any airport or landing field shall permit the owner or pilot of any aircraft to use such airport or landing field for landing or taking off while engaged in carrying passengers for hire or reward or instructing students for hire or reward, unless such owner or operator of the airport or landing field has been granted a license or temporary letter of authority from the commission for such operation. No owner or pilot of aircraft shall carry any passengers for hire or reward from any airport or landing field in this state, unless such airport or landing field has been granted a license or temporary letter of authority from the commission for the type of operation to be engaged in. 6:1-43. Use of emergency facility or facility operated exclusively by and for government; license for aeronautical activity; fixed base operation It shall be unlawful, except as provided for by the provisions of this chapter and the rules, regulations and orders adopted pursuant to this chapter, to operate, use, or cause to be operated or used any avigation facility intended to accommodate the operation, take-off, or landing of aircraft , except in the case of emergency or at avigation facilities owned and operated exclusively by and for the Government of the United States. No aircraft or airman shall utilize, land, or take off from any area of land or water, unless that area is licensed for such activity, or found and declared by the commissioner to be vital or necessary for avigation purposes. It shall be further unlawful to operate or allow to be operated without proper license any aeronautical activity-fixed base operation that is required to be licensed by the provisions of this chapter or the rules, regulations and orders issued pursuant to this chapter in the interests of the public health, safety and welfare. 6:1-44. Licenses; aviation facilities and temporary landing areas The commissioner shall provide for the licensing of airports, landing strips, or other avigation facilities and temporary landing areas by rules, regulations and orders adequate to protect the public health and safety and the safety of those participating in aeronautical activities; provided, however, that the continued use and operation of airports, landing strips, and other avigation facilities, in use and operation on the effective date of this chapter, for which an application for a license shall have been filed within the time fixed by the commissioner, shall be permitted, pending the granting or rejection of such applications; and provided further, that the application for a license for any airport, landing strip, or other avigation facility in use and operation on the effective date of this chapter shall be granted, unless the commissioner shall find that such airports, landing strips, or other avigation facilities are not constructed, equipped and operated in accordance with the standards and requirements fixed by the rules, regulations and orders of the commissioner. Whenever the commissioner or the Director of Aeronautics shall reject any application for license under the provisions of this section, he shall state in writing the reasons for such rejection. The commissioner may further determine it necessary and provide for the licensing of specific aeronautical activities, fixed base operations, or persons engaged in specific types of aeronautical activities, or operations by rules, regulations and orders adequate to protect the public health, safety and welfare and the safety of those participating in aeronautics. |
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