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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
I think Margy is talking about appearing IN the event, not just
attending as a visitor. Ok, that makes much more sense. In fact, it took us longer to taxi to the museum (when we appeared at the first "Be a Pilot" day) than it did to FLY to Dulles from Fredericksburg! Dulles is no joke. I spent an hour taxiing there once. They were changing runways, and I was unlucky. Jose -- Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
Jose wrote:
I know some aircraft are parking at the FBO and then getting ground transport down. How is this different? You fly into the airport, you park, you go to the event. Do you have special parking, which is full? Jose Yeah, I sucker, I mean I get about 50 pilots to volunteer to work the day. They stand next to their airplane all day while visitor come up and ask questions and stare at their planes. We put all the visitors through a ramp briefing before they go out onto the ramp. Depending on the pilot (and plane) it's a great opportunity for kids to sit in a REAL airplane. For the visiting pilot it really is a full day's work. The museum ramp is about 4 miles away from the FBOs and only open a few days a year to aircraft. There are two VERY LARGE gates between the museum and the airport and opening them requires quite a bit of coordination between a number of lettered agencies. Margy |
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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
Jose wrote:
I think Margy is talking about appearing IN the event, not just attending as a visitor. Ok, that makes much more sense. In fact, it took us longer to taxi to the museum (when we appeared at the first "Be a Pilot" day) than it did to FLY to Dulles from Fredericksburg! Dulles is no joke. I spent an hour taxiing there once. They were changing runways, and I was unlucky. Jose Well, Landmark provides overnight parking for participants who want to come in early and the taxi from there is at least 5 miles. They are on the NW corner of the airport and we are about a mile and half south of the runways and halfway between, but our gate access is on the SE corner of the airport. So it's a long way, but a very nice taxi for at least a mile through the woods after you exit the first gate from the main airport. Margy |
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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
On 5/4/2007 9:20:00 AM, Margy Natalie wrote:
Yeah, I sucker, I mean I get about 50 pilots to volunteer to work the day. They stand next to their airplane all day while visitor come up and ask questions and stare at their planes. Ahh, I am sorry. I mistook your "fly-in spots" to mean any fly-in visitor to the event, not those who volunteer their time and aircraft. Very neat idea, there. Do you only solicit volunteers at Oshkosh? -- Peter |
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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
Peter R. wrote:
On 5/4/2007 9:20:00 AM, Margy Natalie wrote: Yeah, I sucker, I mean I get about 50 pilots to volunteer to work the day. They stand next to their airplane all day while visitor come up and ask questions and stare at their planes. Ahh, I am sorry. I mistook your "fly-in spots" to mean any fly-in visitor to the event, not those who volunteer their time and aircraft. Very neat idea, there. Do you only solicit volunteers at Oshkosh? No, the Oshkosh thing wasn't my idea :-). This is only the 3rd year for the event. The first year I invited only people I knew really well who I was absolutly sure wouldn't screw up in the ADIZ and class B. My agreement with the airport was for 30 aircraft and it worked out fairly well, although there was some overheating on departures (long taxi, delays in getting off). We had 2 Harriers from the Marines (Pax River). 1 glider trucked in. Year two - I invited everyone from year one back and added a number of aircraft that were suggested by the GA curator including some antiques (read no transponders). The FAA was GREAT in working out flights of two to get the non-transponder equiped aircraft in. The event went to 50 aircraft (workload for me more than doubled and this event is something I put together in addition to my real job!). We had an F 18 from the Navy (Pax River). We also added a hot air balloon, more gliders and hang gliders (if it's trucked in it "doesn't count" in my 50 aircraft agreement with the airport. Tower said "if your pilots ask for intersection departures it might get things moving a bit better". So pilots asked for intersections and if it would help move things along them got them. Still we had some overheating issues (it's still a LONG taxi no matter what). Year three - I've lost my mind and gone to 50 AIRPLANES and up to 10 helicopters. My dance card is full with a waiting list. This is the first year I've had more aircraft apply than I've had spots as I always controlled the invite list more closely. I HATE telling people they can't come. Of course the first two years I had last minute drop outs and I'd have to hustle, this year it will be a quick email to the next on the list. I have some really cool hot air balloons coming from NJ http://www.skychariot.com/ I'm still looking for more gliders, hang gliders, anything than can come in by truck. I've got some really cool things that are still not rock solid. I'll tell you about them when the ink is dry on the paperwork. AND THAT'S JUST THE OUTSIDE STUFF!! I always focus on the fly-in part of the day because I organize it. On the inside of the museum is a full fledged family day organized by one of the best - Gloria. She manages to get all sorts of individuals and groups in for the day to provide educational activities and all sorts of other cool stuff. Kids (of all ages) will have fun all day. Jen- Our discovery station person manages to hustle up a ton of teenage volunteers for the day to work lots of discovery stations (we make it hard on her by timing this perfectly with our high school graduation weekend!). So even if the fly-in part gets rained out (I didn't say that did I?) there will still be lots to do. BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE On Sunday there is a huge car show accross the road at Sully Plantation, hence the new marketing plan "Wings and Wheels Weekend". So, if you happen to be in Northern Virginia that weekend (June 16) it's a fun thing to do! Margy |
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On 5/4/2007 10:07:23 AM, Margy Natalie wrote:
So, if you happen to be in Northern Virginia that weekend (June 16) it's a fun thing to do! An incredible event, it certainly seems. Congratulations on what appears to be a lot of hard work paying off year after year. I know my young boys would certainly enjoy attending and I need to give this one some thought as to how to work it in. -- Peter |
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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
Peter R. wrote:
On 5/4/2007 10:07:23 AM, Margy Natalie wrote: So, if you happen to be in Northern Virginia that weekend (June 16) it's a fun thing to do! An incredible event, it certainly seems. Congratulations on what appears to be a lot of hard work paying off year after year. I know my young boys would certainly enjoy attending and I need to give this one some thought as to how to work it in. Thanks, It's growing every year and it is really fun and you're right, a lot of really hard work, but worth it. Also debuting this year for "Become a Pilot" (if we can get it done in time) a C-150 inside the museum that, when staffed, kids will be able to sit in and learn how to use the control surfaces. Of course right now it's sitting in the barn, filthy and with no wings on. Guess what I'm doing on Wednesday! Margy |
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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
"Margy Natalie" wrote Also debuting this year for "Become a Pilot" (if we can get it done in time) a C-150 inside the museum that, when staffed, kids will be able to sit in and learn how to use the control surfaces. Of course right now it's sitting in the barn, filthy and with no wings on. Guess what I'm doing on Wednesday! Your old 150? -- Jim in NC |
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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
Margy Natalie wrote:
Well, Landmark provides overnight parking for participants who want to come in early and the taxi from there is at least 5 miles. They are on the NW corner of the airport and we are about a mile and half south of the runways and halfway between, but our gate access is on the SE corner of the airport. So it's a long way, but a very nice taxi for at least a mile through the woods after you exit the first gate from the main airport. For the big airport squeamish (since the taxi route takes you through just about everything on the airport) and to make the ATC issues easier we did a taxi for many of us as a "flight" (either me or Michelle in the lead). This works pretty well except for last year where I kept telling them (Navion in the lead, five airplanes back to the biplane), every controller kept asking "is that four planes", no it's five, everything back to the biplane...(the reason I put the biplane in the rear, I figured it was pretty distinctive for Dulles). I used to be based at Dulles (and Margy actually learned to fly there), but it's much busier now both for the airlines and all the bizjet traffic that was effectively kicked out of National. |
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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
Margy Natalie wrote:
Also debuting this year for "Become a Pilot" (if we can get it done in time) a C-150 inside the museum that, when staffed, kids will be able to sit in and learn how to use the control surfaces. Of course right now it's sitting in the barn, filthy and with no wings on. Guess what I'm doing on Wednesday! Hey Margy, I bet Meridian could get that thing shiny in no time all :-) By the way, Margy didn't mention it, but one of the stipulations of being "on exhibit" is that you gotta stand around and talk about your aircraft (which is not a problem for most aircraft owners). Many of us have let kids sit in, work the controls, and get their pictures taken in our aircraft. One thing I observed and Jay and others who were there can also say, unlike some disaster public fly-ins (the Dulles Special Olympics Plane Pull event for instance), the public is REALY REALY well behaved at these. First, I think that they are already in a "museum" mind set, but the real key is that before they go out on the ramp, they have to sit through a safety lecture about not touching airplanes, dangers of propellers and the like. Of course, a big hit (and oddly with the museum director as much as with the kids) is our mascot, a four foot teddy bear named Piper who rides in with me. The first year he wore my Navion shooting down the Bonanza t-shirt (the overall director of the Air and Space museum is a Bonanza owner who declined the offer to bring his airplane to the event). Last year he wore a shirt that says "Bears Fly" shirt (mimicking the Woman Fly shirt I wear). |
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