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Good comments Pugs,
However my kind of smart ass remarks about the 60-400Hz range had nothing to do with lo-band jammers in the lower MHz range, maybe you missed that, sorry. On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:33:12 -0500, Allen Epps wrote: In article , fudog50 wrote: The ranges in the cascades and olympics maybe??? Also, the ALQ-99 support??? CVWP maybe??? You mentioned a "whole lot of other reasons", which there are many. I think the biggest competition on the west coast would be Lemoore of course, but I've heard about the noise complaints and lack of hangar space there. Yes, there are noise issues in Whidbey, I had to sign sort of a waiver when I bought my house there 10 years ago that I knew I was in a certain noise area.. But I know from experience here at the Lake and up at Whidbey, that the 400's are quieter than those 408 A/B's. It all depends which politico's go for it the most I suppose. I only hope from a logistics standpoint that they decide to base it on both coasts. As a prior Prowler MMCO, it is very painful and expensive to move 5 jets and 155 personnel plus all the support items necessary cross country every deck cert, TESTA 1/2, TESTA 3/4, COMPTUEX and JTFEX, just like the Tomcat guys have to do going east to west. And very expensive. I think AlQ-99 support is pretty small potatos in the cost issue. None of this will happen quickly so NUW will be around for awhile. I think the issue will come down to training airspace. The Oly, Okanoagan and Roosevelt MOA's and the Darrington Special Use airspace are simply not available elswhere not to mention the IR and VR routes. If they don't get used we will lose then and getting them back won't be an option. The airspace at Fallon, Lemore, W-72, Key Weird and such are pretty saturated let alone buildings, noise and all the other issues. With regard to EMI and your comment about low band pods VAQ-35 did, in fact, have two A/B band pods which went down into the low 200 MHZ range and up to 1090MHZ IIRC. They were FIWC (aka FEWSG aka FTRG) assets and were 0-3G limited and flared landings only. They were built on a low band 99 pod and canoe and externally looked like every other low band pod. Pugs |
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Pechs,
About a month ago I raised the same issue in here and it was so rudely (maybe not accurately) pointed out to me that the 'Rhino's are already performing that role and had gone through DT/OT and everything using that mission. I hadn't seen it yet, and talking to my shipmates here in the Vampires, they hadn't used this profile yet. The S-3 is a goner, (2005) no plans for long term tanker use, sadly. To me, this will make our reliance on AF tankers more prevalent. We lose some of our sef-sufficiency for sure, not sure what the trade-offs of having Rhinos play tanker. I'm sure there still has to be something in the air for every recovery, for blue water ops and that dreaded sip of petrol before rigging the barricade. But On 31 Dec 2003 14:49:19 GMT, (Pechs1) wrote: many- EF-18G built and flying? According to who? BRBR But what about tankers? What do current airwings, populated by a bunch of 'Bugs' use? Refueling packages on the wings of other Bugs?? Is the S-3 gone as a tanker? Is there any plan to convert some of these to permanent KS-3s(A good idea, IMO)? P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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In article , fudog50
wrote: Good comments Pugs, However my kind of smart ass remarks about the 60-400Hz range had nothing to do with lo-band jammers in the lower MHz range, maybe you missed that, sorry. On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:33:12 -0500, Allen Epps wrote: foo, Sorry brain addled by work, I added an M to the Hz and synapses long dormant snapped to life recalling the halceon days of doing the FIWC thing before I registered sarcasm. I just saw my my "Tan, Drink, Fly" patch from VAQ-35 with an embroidered Prowler front end with fishing rods, skies and golf bags stuffed in the back. I was in 35 for 19 months before going TAR as the squadron was closing down and in that time went on 27 detachments. Got a hell of a lot more flight time than most of the fleet Prowler guys in the 93 timeframe. I had four months in a row with more than 60 hours a month, of course I was also the Scheds "O" We had 11 airframes (2 were dead birds) and maint could often get 6 flyable with five crews in the squadorn. Everyone was second tour Prowlers at least until the women and a couple other guys came aboard so tons of experience and a bunch of good folks. Pugs |
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Noise complaints here at Lemoore? Who would be making those complaints? The cows?
fudog50 wrote in message . .. The ranges in the cascades and olympics maybe??? Also, the ALQ-99 support??? CVWP maybe??? You mentioned a "whole lot of other reasons", which there are many. I think the biggest competition on the west coast would be Lemoore of course, but I've heard about the noise complaints and lack of hangar space there. Yes, there are noise issues in Whidbey, I had to sign sort of a waiver when I bought my house there 10 years ago that I knew I was in a certain noise area.. But I know from experience here at the Lake and up at Whidbey, that the 400's are quieter than those 408 A/B's. It all depends which politico's go for it the most I suppose. I only hope from a logistics standpoint that they decide to base it on both coasts. As a prior Prowler MMCO, it is very painful and expensive to move 5 jets and 155 personnel plus all the support items necessary cross country every deck cert, TESTA 1/2, TESTA 3/4, COMPTUEX and JTFEX, just like the Tomcat guys have to do going east to west. And very expensive. On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:45:34 -0500, Allen Epps wrote: In article , Andrew Toppan wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:31:01 -0800, "Yofuri" wrote: Old news; already built and flying. Looking for a job? EF-18G built and flying? According to who? The Navy apparently doesn't think so, or they wouldn't have awarded a large contract to develop the aircraft. F/A-18E/F is "built and flying". EF-18G has been under discussion and preliminary development for some time, so the contract is no surprise. -- Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself" "Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today, Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/ The F airframe has been fitted and flown with the the ALQ-99 pods which will used as exiting as GFE or Government Furnished Equipment for the project. The ESM pods on the wingtips have been flown and have gone through extensive integration work. The simulator and avionics integration work has been going on for at least 7 years as I flew the sim in St Louis back in the 96 timeframe. It's evolved nicely and I flew the more recent verion on a roadshow at Andrews last year. All in all Boeing/Mcair as put a lot of their own money into this project over the last little bit knowing the Navy would figure out the Prowler was going to die much quicker than the projected. I would regard the technology as low risk, the question will be more who gives up a slot for E/F production if the Navy decides they want the airframes sooner than 09. The next issue is why keep them at Whidbey (except for airspace and whole lot of other reasons not the least of which is Elk hunting and steelhead fishing) ;^ Pugs |
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Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal wrote:
What's the replacement for the S-3? CSA got cancelled years ago. For ASW, MH-60Rs and prayer, mainly. For everything else, land-based air and the Super Bug. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed) |
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fudog50 wrote:
Unsat J, Thanks to O.J for pasting the link, (which says absolutely nothing about the questions I asked), so go "JEEZ" yourself for cryin out loud! Do you even know what DT/OT and IOC are? I'll leave it at that. I can guarantee you he does. I can also guarantee you that you are displaying your own ignorance by asking: Any details on the contract? How about the SOW? I'd be interested to see it, along with the milestones and when DT/OT/IOC is supposed to take place. when the source was clearly identified as a newspaper article. I've been playing around the DoD world, either in the military or working for them via a beltway bandit, since 1961 and I've *never* seen information about a contract's SOW, milestones, DT/OT/IOC, etc., published in a newspaper article. Or in a website article. Or in a magazine article. I generally see snippets of info on that sort of thing in the presentations put out by the Program Office's or Manufacturer/Prime Contractor's Power Point Rangers. Maybe you want to try an FOI request with DoN for the info you are seeking. -- OJ III [Email sent to Yahoo addy is burned before reading. Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast] |
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Yeah, what's the Fleet coming to when VFA guys return from the first combat
deployment of their latest and greatest killing machine and brag about what a great tanker it is... "Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal" wrote in message ... On 12/31/03 8:49 AM, in article , "Pechs1" wrote: many- EF-18G built and flying? According to who? BRBR But what about tankers? What do current airwings, populated by a bunch of 'Bugs' use? Refueling packages on the wings of other Bugs?? Is the S-3 gone as a tanker? Is there any plan to convert some of these to permanent KS-3s(A good idea, IMO)? P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer Soon gone. F/A-18E/F will be the only tanker left. Scary. |
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