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Flying through Canadian airspace
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com... One semi-interesting observation: This isn't true in the Washington ADIZ. There, a VFR ADIZ flight plan IS opened by ATC, after first filing with flight service. That's because the ADIZ flight plan isn't a VFR flight plan. Funny that some things actually work better under the ADIZ. Not really. The most you can say is that things aren't as bad under the ADIZ as they could be. Pete |
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Flying through Canadian airspace
Denny wrote:
I speak AIM fluently... There is a turf war between the controllers union and the privatized FSS.. All the AIM manuals in the world will not get ATC to cooperate.. If you are surprised that you don't get a transponer squawk code when you file a *VFR* flight plan, I'm afraid that you are not as familiar with the AIM as you may think. Except for a few certain exceptions (ADIZ, Weirdness in ROC, etc), there has never been much connection between a VFR flight plan and air traffic control. The ATC guys do NOT get your *VFR* flight plan, and this has been the case long before Lockheed got the AFSS contract. Traffic Advisories (aka "Flight Following") is merely a service that ATC may provide upon request to VFR aircraft, whether you have a flight plan or not. They may hand you off to other facilities if they can, but keep in mind the VFR aircraft may be flying too low for a hand off in any given area. I believe if you file a Defense VFR (or DVFR) flight plan than ATC will get the flight plan. Not sure if this would work for the Washington ADIZ, but apparently they want all flight plans filed there directly with Leesburg AFSS anyway. |
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Flying through Canadian airspace
Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, john smith said: * Since I'll use Canadian ATC service during the overflight, will I get a bill from NavCanada when I get home? Yes, it's still around $15 (Canadian), and it's good for a whole quarter - so if you fly back before the quarter is over, you won't get another bill. When did this go into effect? I have never been charged for previous overflights. You're right. I thought they'd removed the exemption for overflights, but I just checked the current fee schedule http://www.navcanada.ca/ContentDefin...ide_New_en.pdf and it still says that flights from one part of the US to another are still exempt. Since I land in Canada several times a year, I guess I never got a chance to notice that they didn't charge if I somehow avoided landing there for a quarter. I believe that is reciprocal because USA ATC does not charge Canadian pilots for similar services. |
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Being a stubborn cuss I decided to test the system again as I had to
make two more round trips from Michigan through Canada and across Lake Erie over the holiday weekend... This series of flights I simply waited until I was about ten miles from Canadian airspace and called Center and advised I wanted flight following through Canadian Airspace and across the lake... He promptly assigned a squawk and that was that... The first round trip I filed a VFR flight plan but did not activate it... The second round I didn't even bother with that... denny |
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Flying through Canadian airspace
Paul Tomblin wrote:
Post 9/11, you still have to be on a flight plan of some sort to cross the border, and now you have to be talking to ATC as well. Where does that latter requirement come from? It's news to me, and Toronto Terminal isn't usually interested in talking to VFR arrivals. |
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Flying through Canadian airspace
Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, (andrew m. boardman) said: Paul Tomblin wrote: Post 9/11, you still have to be on a flight plan of some sort to cross the border, and now you have to be talking to ATC as well. Where does that latter requirement come from? It's news to me, and Toronto Terminal isn't usually interested in talking to VFR arrivals. FDC NOTAM 2/5319 [...] Oops. Thanks for the reminder. I'd like to think I knew about that the last time it was relevant to me and have simply forgotten since. (A couple of years ago I started dealing with this sort of thing strictly IFR. Somewhat lazy, perhaps, but it removes many hassles. Especially with the DC ADIZ, which can be an utter disaster VFR.) Mind you, Toronto Terminal still didn't want to deal with me VFR (making KIAG-CYTZ hops a couple of years ago), but the important thing for 2/5319 is talking to US ATC, which was never an issue. [I previously posted another instantiation of this, but had a weird newsreader glitch and it seems to have vanished. My apologies if it turns up twice.] |
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Flying through Canadian airspace
On Wed, 31 May 2006 19:19:32 +0000 (UTC), (Paul
Tomblin) wrote: In a previous article, (andrew m. boardman) said: Paul Tomblin wrote: Post 9/11, you still have to be on a flight plan of some sort to cross the border, and now you have to be talking to ATC as well. Where does that latter requirement come from? It's news to me, and Toronto Terminal isn't usually interested in talking to VFR arrivals. FDC NOTAM 2/5319 "PART 2 OF 8 .. SPECIAL NOTICE .. OPERATIONS TO/FROM LOCATIONS OUTSIDE THE U.S. PART II. U.S., MEXICAN OR CANADIAN REGISTERED AIRCRAFT CONDUCTING IFR/VFR OPERATIONS TO/FROM LOCATIONS OUTSIDE THE TERRITORIAL AIRSPACE OF THE U.S. NO PERSON MAY OPERATE AN AIRCRAFT UNDER VFR OR IFR TO OR FROM THE TERRITORIAL AIRSPACE OF THE U.S. EXCEPT AS PROVIDED BELOW: A. PART 91 VFR OPERATIONS ARE AUTHORIZED FOR AIRCRAFT WITH A MAXIMUM CERTIFICATED TAKEOFF GROSS WEIGHT OF 95,000 POUNDS OR LESS, BETWEEN THE COUNTRIES OF THE U.S., CANADA, AND MEXICO, PROVIDED ALL THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET: 1. THE AIRCRAFT IS REGISTERED IN THE U.S., CANADA OR MEXICO. 2. THE FLIGHT CREW AND ONLY KNOWN PASSENGERS ARE ON BOARD. 3. THE PILOT FILES AND ACTIVATES A FLIGHT PLAN. 4. THE PILOT IS IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE GOVERNING ATC FACILITY AT THE TIME OF THE BOUNDARY CROSSING. 5. THE AIRCRAFT IS SQUAWKING AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL ASSIGNED DISCRETE BEACON CODE. 6. THE PILOT COMPLIES WITH ALL U.S. CUSTOMS NOTIFICATIONS AND COMPLIES WITH REQUIREMENTS TO LAND AT AIRPORTS IN THE U.S., CANADA OR MEXICO DESIGNATED AS PORTS OF ENTRY. END PART 2 OF 8" I draw your attention to part 4 and 5. But you seem to forget that the whole section refers to flights TO/FROM foreign LOCATIONS. Passing through Canadian airspace when both origin and destination are in the US is not covered by this whole section. |
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