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Nope, just the guy who runs the place I get my BFR
at At 01:24 09 October 2004, Btiz wrote: and Dave C is a TSA authority how? 'Stewart Kissel' wrote in message ... Tom- Dave C. at Mile-Hi said an existing license counts...I just called him. At 18:00 08 October 2004, Tango4 wrote: How does Boeing get a non-US citizen to check out on say a new 777? Do they have to do it outside the borders of the US or do they teach 'em in a sim and let 'em loose on the real thing straight away? :-J Ian 'tango4' wrote in message ... So I take it no visitors to the US can get any instruction? Has that killed all the flight schools offering cheaper flight training for European pilots? What about visiting pilots wanting a checkride before taking a club or FBO ship? Talk about overkill! Ian 'Tom Serkowski' wrote in message m... http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/regulatory/regtsa.html Beginning October 20, 2004, all pilots wishing to recieve instruction - including a BFR, must show proff of US citizenship to the instructor. Very scary. I have heard from a reliable source that if a CFI allows a passenger to touch the controls, that is considered instruction in the TSA's eyes. The instructor must see a document such as an ORIGINAL naturalization certificate and keep a copy for 5 years. Yet on my certificate it says it is illegal to copy it. I called SSA today regarding another subject and also asked about this. The office person I talked to knew nothing. And of course the SSA website is also mute on this. Dennis was unfortunately on another call, so I didn't get a chance to ask him. Tom Serkowski ASH-26E (5Z) |
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Where in this does it state that an existing pilot certificate is all
that is required??? Any U.S. citizen applying for training, including recurrent training, in an aircraft weighing less than 12,500 pounds must present the flight school or flight instructor with evidence of U.S. citizenship. Evidence may be shown by one of the following: Valid unexpired U.S. passport Original birth certificate and government-issued picture ID Original U.S. naturalization or citizenship certificate with raised seal and government-issued picture ID Original certificate of U.S. citizenship and government-issued picture ID The flight school or flight instructor will retain a copy of the documentation for a period of 5 years. Impact to flight schools and freelance flight instructors: Any flight school or a freelance flight instructor providing training in an aircraft weighing less than 12,500 pounds must comply with the following: Determine whether an individual is an U.S. citizen. Evidence may be shown by one of the following: Valid unexpired U.S. passport Original birth certificate and government-issued picture ID Original U.S. naturalization or citizenship certificate with raised seal and government-issued picture ID Original certificate of U.S. citizenship and government-issued picture ID Register with TSA if providing training to foreign students Notify TSA when a foreign applicant requests training Submit to TSA a photo of the foreign applicant after he or she first arrives for training For recurrent training, the following must also be submitted to TSA: Foreign applicant's full name TSA/DOJ identification number Copy of foreign applicant's current, unexpired passport and visa Training details Photo of the foreign applicant after he or she first arrives for training Retain applicant information and TSA approval records for five years. The records are subject to TSA audit. Immediately terminate a foreign applicant's training if informed by TSA the applicant poses a threat to aviation or national security. Ground school and demonstration flights are exempt from the rule and recurrent training is exempt from the fingerprints requirement. Flight schools and freelance flight instructors, regardless of whether they are training foreign students, must provide initial and annual recurrent "security awareness training" for each flight school employee that has a direct contact with a flight school student (regardless of citizenship or nationality). Flight school employees must receive the initial security awareness training by January 18, 2005. Employees hired after January 18, 2005 must receive the training within 60 days of being hired. Schools must maintain a record of such training for one year after the employee leaves the school. Again, these records are subject to TSA and FAA audit. TSA's initial online security awareness training program will be available on October 30, 2004 at www.tsa.gov. Flight schools, including freelance flight instructors, that fail to comply with the rule's requirements may be subject to enforcement action. |
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Bernie Lewis wrote:
If it keeps ONE rag head from trying to blow something up with an aircraft.... Rag head? |
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At 03:48 09 October 2004, Marc Ramsey wrote:
Bernie Lewis wrote: If it keeps ONE rag head from trying to blow something up with an aircraft.... Rag head? You know, a glider pilot wearing a terry cloth hat. In other words, anyone outside my own culture. |
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This is the place to start to figure out how to work through
the new TSA regs for instructors with foreign pilots. http://www.faasafety.gov/notices/200...le_9-27-04.doc -- Peter D. Brown http://home.gci.net/~pdb/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akmtnsoaring/ |
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Having read through the paper work and some of the
arguments, in the context of larger aircraft and pilot training a small price to to pay for security. In this context many of the checks seem common sense and any self respecting training establishment should be taking their own similar security steps. When it comes to small aircraft especially gliders then it appears heavy handed and ill thought out. The politicians as usual not knowing their 8rse from their elbow and shoving a cork up their 8rse to prevent diarrhoea. For existing licence holders, the question that needs answering is what is training. A pilot with existing licences, permits call it what you will, undergoing say and annual or a site check flight is not training. The big worry is that once this practice becomes established in the USA, then aviation round the world will follow. This will place a large burden on our sport which may see some of the establishments forced out of business. I also suspect the glider movement would soon pick out the new ASH25 owner filling his ballast tanks with explosives then setting off into the wide blue yonder to blow something up. Another thread asks abut flying lawyers, what about flying politicians.........! |
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That's "Scarebus", Bubba.
Cheers! "Shawn" wrote in message ... Janusz Kesik wrote: U¿ytkownik ADP w wiadomo¶ci do grup dyskusyjnych ... How they ever got a single Airbus piece of crap in the air is beyond me. It simply proves that you can undercut any decent aircraft on price and the Airlines will go for it. No wonder the Airlines can't survive! Allan O yes... Everything which hasn't been made in America must be crap... ROTFL! No, no, not at all. I love my 'Skeeter. Just Air Bust is crap :-) Shawn |
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Hi,
That's "Scarebus", Bubba. Seen from the other side "Boeing" is the sound something springy makes when it hits the ground. Ciao, MM -- Marian Aldenhövel, Rosenhain 23, 53123 Bonn. Fon +49 228 624013, Fax +49 228 624031. http://www.marian-aldenhoevel.de |
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Pete Reinhart wrote:
That's "Scarebus", Bubba. Cheers! Hehe! I stand (well sit) corrected. "Shawn" wrote in message ... Janusz Kesik wrote: U¿ytkownik ADP w wiadomo¶ci do grup dyskusyjnych ... How they ever got a single Airbus piece of crap in the air is beyond me. It simply proves that you can undercut any decent aircraft on price and the Airlines will go for it. No wonder the Airlines can't survive! Allan O yes... Everything which hasn't been made in America must be crap... ROTFL! No, no, not at all. I love my 'Skeeter. Just Air Bust is crap :-) |
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