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Comfortable 4 seaters?
Our flying club's insurance company is reluctantly allowing us to insure
our Lance, but they have said that they don't like 6 seaters in clubs. A year ago they told us that anybody who flew the Lance had to put at least 3 hours in the previous 90 days or do a "proficiency check" with a club instructor every time they flew it, then they told us that's not enough, and you have to do 15 hours a year in it and ground training and they need a list of all the pilots and you could only have 8 pilots on the list. We're wondering what they're going to do next year. So we're thinking about what happens when we can't keep it any more. More than the 6 seats, what I like best about the Lance is that it's roomier side-to-side than an Archer or Dakota. Are there any four seaters out there that are as wide as a Lance that don't cost too much? -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ The only problem is that if we found the Holy Grail, we'd have to support it and explain to the lusers which way to tip it so that they don't get the elixer of life down the front of their tasteless shirts. -- Wayne Pascoe |
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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ... Our flying club's insurance company is reluctantly allowing us to insure our Lance, but they have said that they don't like 6 seaters in clubs. A year ago they told us that anybody who flew the Lance had to put at least 3 hours in the previous 90 days or do a "proficiency check" with a club instructor every time they flew it, then they told us that's not enough, and you have to do 15 hours a year in it and ground training and they need a list of all the pilots and you could only have 8 pilots on the list. We're wondering what they're going to do next year. So we're thinking about what happens when we can't keep it any more. More than the 6 seats, what I like best about the Lance is that it's roomier side-to-side than an Archer or Dakota. Are there any four seaters out there that are as wide as a Lance that don't cost too much? -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ The only problem is that if we found the Holy Grail, we'd have to support it and explain to the lusers which way to tip it so that they don't get the elixer of life down the front of their tasteless shirts. -- Wayne Pascoe I wonder what their logic is. Why don't you offer to put crash dummies in two of the seats? I could understand if they wanted a certain number of hours to fly retractable, multi, pressurized airplanes or others with funcional differences but I don't understand why they have an issue with the number of seats. It seems that they could just add 50% to the liability premium (above a four seater) and be done with it. Mike MU-2 |
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Mike Rapoport wrote:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ... Our flying club's insurance company is reluctantly allowing us to insure our Lance, but they have said that they don't like 6 seaters in clubs. A year ago they told us that anybody who flew the Lance had to put at least 3 hours in the previous 90 days or do a "proficiency check" with a club instructor every time they flew it, then they told us that's not enough, and you have to do 15 hours a year in it and ground training and they need a list of all the pilots and you could only have 8 pilots on the list. We're wondering what they're going to do next year. So we're thinking about what happens when we can't keep it any more. More than the 6 seats, what I like best about the Lance is that it's roomier side-to-side than an Archer or Dakota. Are there any four seaters out there that are as wide as a Lance that don't cost too much? -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ The only problem is that if we found the Holy Grail, we'd have to support it and explain to the lusers which way to tip it so that they don't get the elixer of life down the front of their tasteless shirts. -- Wayne Pascoe I wonder what their logic is. Why don't you offer to put crash dummies in two of the seats? I could understand if they wanted a certain number of hours to fly retractable, multi, pressurized airplanes or others with funcional differences but I don't understand why they have an issue with the number of seats. It seems that they could just add 50% to the liability premium (above a four seater) and be done with it. Mike MU-2 Can they remove two seats? |
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"xyzzy" wrote in message ... Mike Rapoport wrote: I wonder what their logic is. There is no logic. Rationality departed the insurance industry years ago. |
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In a previous article, "Mike Rapoport" said:
I wonder what their logic is. Why don't you offer to put crash dummies in They claim it's liability exposure - and that complex 6s have been a disproportionate part of the claims they've had from flying clubs. If there was an STC to remove two of the seats, I think we'd take it - more people want the big plane to fly 2-3 people and a load of gear than to fly 5-6 people. -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ Considering the number of wheels Microsoft has found reason to invent, one never ceases to be baffled by the minuscule number whose shape even vaguely resembles a circle. -- [unknown] |
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In article ,
(Paul Tomblin) wrote: They claim it's liability exposure - and that complex 6s have been a disproportionate part of the claims they've had from flying clubs. If there was an STC to remove two of the seats, I think we'd take it - more people want the big plane to fly 2-3 people and a load of gear than to fly 5-6 people. Is the removal of seats something that requires an STC in Canada? I have a slightly lower insurance rate on my cherokee 140 because I removed two seats. All Avemco wanted was a log entry (I think I sent them a copy of the log entry). -- Bob Noel looking for a sig the lawyers will like |
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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ... In a previous article, "Mike Rapoport" said: I wonder what their logic is. Why don't you offer to put crash dummies in They claim it's liability exposure - and that complex 6s have been a disproportionate part of the claims they've had from flying clubs. If there was an STC to remove two of the seats, I think we'd take it - more people want the big plane to fly 2-3 people and a load of gear than to fly 5-6 people. Or they want to take 3-4 people and 'some' gear, and not treat them like sardines. -- Matt --------------------- Matthew W. Barrow Site-Fill Homes, LLC. Montrose, CO |
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we had a Bonanza here at one time on the rental line.. I'm not sure of the
paper work involved.. but the FBO did remove two seats and certified same to the insurance company to keep the insurance down. BT "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message ink.net... "Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ... Our flying club's insurance company is reluctantly allowing us to insure our Lance, but they have said that they don't like 6 seaters in clubs. A year ago they told us that anybody who flew the Lance had to put at least 3 hours in the previous 90 days or do a "proficiency check" with a club instructor every time they flew it, then they told us that's not enough, and you have to do 15 hours a year in it and ground training and they need a list of all the pilots and you could only have 8 pilots on the list. We're wondering what they're going to do next year. So we're thinking about what happens when we can't keep it any more. More than the 6 seats, what I like best about the Lance is that it's roomier side-to-side than an Archer or Dakota. Are there any four seaters out there that are as wide as a Lance that don't cost too much? -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ The only problem is that if we found the Holy Grail, we'd have to support it and explain to the lusers which way to tip it so that they don't get the elixer of life down the front of their tasteless shirts. -- Wayne Pascoe I wonder what their logic is. Why don't you offer to put crash dummies in two of the seats? I could understand if they wanted a certain number of hours to fly retractable, multi, pressurized airplanes or others with funcional differences but I don't understand why they have an issue with the number of seats. It seems that they could just add 50% to the liability premium (above a four seater) and be done with it. Mike MU-2 |
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Mike Rapoport wrote:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ... Our flying club's insurance company is reluctantly allowing us to insure our Lance, but they have said that they don't like 6 seaters in clubs. A year ago they told us that anybody who flew the Lance had to put at least 3 hours in the previous 90 days or do a "proficiency check" with a club instructor every time they flew it, then they told us that's not enough, and you have to do 15 hours a year in it and ground training and they need a list of all the pilots and you could only have 8 pilots on the list. We're wondering what they're going to do next year. So we're thinking about what happens when we can't keep it any more. More than the 6 seats, what I like best about the Lance is that it's roomier side-to-side than an Archer or Dakota. Are there any four seaters out there that are as wide as a Lance that don't cost too much? -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ The only problem is that if we found the Holy Grail, we'd have to support it and explain to the lusers which way to tip it so that they don't get the elixer of life down the front of their tasteless shirts. -- Wayne Pascoe I wonder what their logic is. Why don't you offer to put crash dummies in two of the seats? I could understand if they wanted a certain number of hours to fly retractable, multi, pressurized airplanes or others with funcional differences but I don't understand why they have an issue with the number of seats. It seems that they could just add 50% to the liability premium (above a four seater) and be done with it. Yes, it does seem odd. I did read once that people in the back row or two tend to sue much more frequently than the pilot or the pax in the right front seat. But even then, an increase of 100% should cover going from two folks in back to four. Matt |
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Paul Tomblin wrote: what I like best about the Lance is that it's roomier side-to-side than an Archer or Dakota. Are there any four seaters out there that are as wide as a Lance that don't cost too much? The Cardinal FG or RG are what you're looking for, depending on whether you want a simple or complex type. They are absolutely huge inside. Check it out for yourself. Don't let anyone tell you they're not good planes that don't fly well. They are they best handling Cessnas made, and they don't land badly, just different than Shyhawks. I have owned a FG for over 7 years, and I wouldn't trade it for anything out there. The Cessna RG can be just as reliable as any retract if you have it worked on by someone who knows what they are doing. Sundowners are a close second, as they are very roomy. Almost bought one of them. They are available at bargain prices too, as are some Cardinals. There may be others that are what you want, maybe a Maule or something. I'm not that familiar with all that is available. Bruce Cunningham N30464 C177A |
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