PC flight simulators

Subject: PC flight simulators
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Date: 11/19/03 5:19 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Then instead of being obtuse, answer my questions about the real planes. Oh
wait, none of your posts actually contain any facts do they? Maybe you don't
know.........

I don;t know much. Just a few lessons learned over the Rhine Valley in 1944 and
1945. BTW, I didn't see you there so maybe you are the one who doesn't know
much about the reality of flying for sure. That is why you are confused about
MSFS and real flying.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote in message ...

A valid training aid yes. But a very limited one that is never a substitute for
actually flying. White knuckles? Never. But I think that many here have never
experienced white knuckles or anything close.White knuckles is what you get
10,000 feet over the Ruhr valley with a sky full of 88's. Not on a PC.

I can't say whether that would give me white knuckles or not, but it'd probably
give me brown underwear...

I enjoy a WWII sim called "Forgotten Battles"

They have modeled most of the Russian, American, British and German combat
aircraft.

They left out the B-26. ;-)

Check out http://www.il2sturmovik.com/

and the comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim newsgroup.



"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote in message
...

I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.


Regards...

Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Anonymous"
Date: 11/19/03 5:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
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ArtKramr wrote in message ...

A valid training aid yes. But a very limited one that is never a substitute
for
actually flying. White knuckles? Never. But I think that many here have
never
experienced white knuckles or anything close.White knuckles is what you get
10,000 feet over the Ruhr valley with a sky full of 88's. Not on a PC.

I can't say whether that would give me white knuckles or not, but it'd
probably
give me brown underwear...



I would say plenty of both. And never to be forgotten memories. That was
flying. PC's don't quite cut it in those terms..


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Dave"
Date: 11/19/03 5:48 AM Pacific Standard Time
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I enjoy a WWII sim called "Forgotten Battles"

They have modeled most of the Russian, American, British and German combat
aircraft.

They left out the B-26. ;-)

Check out http://www.il2sturmovik.com/

and the comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim newsgroup.



"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote in message
...

I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.


Regards...




Only REAL MEN flew the B-26. And only the B-26 could scare the **** out of the
elephant.(grin)


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: PC flight simulators
From: Glenfiddich
Date: 11/19/03 6:03 AM Pacific Standard Time
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On 19 Nov 2003 13:30:52 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: PC flight simulators
From: Glenfiddich
I've got MSFS, and also once was paid to play with military-class
full-motion simulators (including Harrier).

I'd like to offer a simple test for whether any device is a game or a
"real" flight simulator - can it give you white knuckles?


That said, even if PC sims are not "real", they should certainly
be counted as valid training aids.

A valid training aid yes.
But a very limited one that is never a substitute for actually flying.

Of course.

White knuckles? Never.

I've seen them in a military flight sim.

It all depends on how realistic the sim is - and it didn't hurt
that the particular situation in the sim was close to the real-life
one which had got that pilot assigned to sim duty.

But you are not talking about MSFS on a PCare you?

Part of the value of sims is to safely train experienced pilots for
those rare dire events that would risk the aircraft if tried in
flight.

Yeah, but not on a home PC.

But I think that many here have never
experienced white knuckles or anything close.

A competent and properly trained peace-time pilot should
never get into any such situations. g

White knuckles is what you get
10,000 feet over the Ruhr valley with a sky full of 88's. Not on a PC.

I'd imagine that, in that situation, white knuckles would be
the least of your symptoms...


Truer words were never spoken.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

(ArtKramr) wrote in
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Subject: PC flight simulators
From:
Date: 11/19/03 4:48 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: bpfoq6$1q5c$1@newsreader02

I know the sim, I'm hoping to get the reality
here.........

Never the twain shall meet on a PC.

I think we all get that you think that PC sims are trash by this
point.

Why do you keep going on about it? The original poster asked which
sims were fun to play, not which sims would give him a completely
accurate recreation of a bomb run over Schweinfurt with no deviations
from reality whatsoever.

It doesn't really *matter* if they teach me everything I'd need to
know about flying a P-51 or an XB-70. Nobody's ever going to let me
near any military aircraft since my vision is between 20/600 and
20/800. Nor am I interested and rich enough to purchase an actual
military simulator and hire several servants to run and maintain it
for me. By the same token, I don't really have the interest to
justify the time and money getting into actual aviation would cost,
and I'm pretty sure I'd just end up puking all over the airplane
anytime something remotely aerobatic happened anyway (ah haaaaates
fallin', ah do).

It just doesn't matter whether or not a pc sim is a terribly accurate
recreation of, say, a Hellcat mission or a Tomcat landing. PC sims
are all I'll ever get. Why not let people answer questions about
which ones are relatively less unrealistic unmolested? Why keep
****ing in my wheaties?

(if you can find a copy, _Stunt Island_ from the early 90's is a
blast, if really really outdated (320x200 graphics anyone?) It's
*very* cartoony, but they have you landing on moving trains and such,
and you can construct your own stunts -- I was always partial to
landing the F-117 on the aircraft carrier)

--
Jim Battista
A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.

Seraphim wrote:

(ArtKramr) wrote in
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Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Jim Baker"
Date: 11/16/03 8:14 PM Pacific Standard Time
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AND, I play with the Microsoft Flight Sim sometimes just for the
hell of it.

Play is right That's what I said in the first place.

If you look carefully, the person that you were responding to said it too
(he specificlly said "play simulators"), you just decided to make an
issue of it. Would someone who was hopeing to use a simulator to learn
how to fly would describe it as "play"?

Your post seemed to me to be more about how cool you are, not anything
haveing to do with computer games.

Nah...he's just trolling again...trying to get a rise out of
someone so he can 'slap that puppy down'...act your age Art,
everyone's watching...
--

-Gord.

(ArtKramr) wrote:


I think the general subject was about PC's, not AirForce real simulators.

Arthur Kramer

"Real simulators"?...good one Art...

--

-Gord.

(ArtKramr) wrote:


I don;t know much. Just a few lessons learned over the Rhine Valley in 1944 and
1945. BTW, I didn't see you there so maybe you are the one who doesn't know
much about the reality of flying for sure. That is why you are confused about
MSFS and real flying.



You should be ashamed of yourself...

--

-Gord.