"position & hold" going away

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Slightly, but having another airplane land on top of you delays your
departure even more.


Well, if the visibility is such that the arriving aircraft can't see you and
it lands on top of you, then it's unlikely that sitting kind of sideways
would allow you to see him.

Well, if the visibility is such that the arriving aircraft can't see you and
it lands on top of you, then it's unlikely that sitting kind of sideways
would allow you to see him.

It is unwise to =depend= on somebody seeing you. It might not be the
visibility that prevents the arriving aircraft from noticing you, or
perhaps from doing anything about it (one might have taxiied into
position in error, detected later by the laws of physics)

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
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It is unwise to =depend= on somebody seeing you.

If you you're not prepared to depend on somebody you're not prepared to
operate at controlled fields or under IFR.

If you you're not prepared to depend on somebody you're not prepared to
operate at controlled fields or under IFR.

Ok, I'll reword. It's unwise to unnecessarily depend on someone to see you.

Jose
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

Well, if the visibility is such that the arriving aircraft can't see you
and
it lands on top of you, then it's unlikely that sitting kind of sideways
would allow you to see him.

I don't see why you would think that.

Ever been rear ended, sitting at a stop light, or such? (in a car, of
course)

I have been, and a very hard hit, about 45 mph. When ever I stop now, I
look in my mirror, and if I see that somone is not going to stop, I am ready
to take evasive action, like going off the side of the road, or into another
lane.

It may not work, but I'm sure going to try and avoid that, if I can.

Same thing for sitting sideways, to get a view of the glideslope. If
someone is coming in, and I saw them, I could try to get to the side of the
runway, or back to the taxiway, or into the ditch. At least you would have
a fighting chance to avoid a catastrophe. Sitting straight, some planes
couldn't see squat, so there is a *good* reason for the sideways trick. It
couldn't take more than 3 or 4 seconds to get straight in the first part of
your takeoff roll.
--
Jim in NC

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Slightly, but having another airplane land on top of you delays your
departure even more.



Well, if the visibility is such that the arriving aircraft can't see you and
it lands on top of you, then it's unlikely that sitting kind of sideways
would allow you to see him.



The OPs point was that he could see the plane approaching and taxi off
the runway out of the way.

Matt

"Morgans" wrote in message
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I don't see why you would think that.


Logic causes me to think that.



Ever been rear ended, sitting at a stop light, or such? (in a car, of
course)

I have been, and a very hard hit, about 45 mph. When ever I stop now, I
look in my mirror, and if I see that somone is not going to stop, I am
ready to take evasive action, like going off the side of the road, or into
another lane.

It may not work, but I'm sure going to try and avoid that, if I can.

Same thing for sitting sideways, to get a view of the glideslope. If
someone is coming in, and I saw them, I could try to get to the side of
the runway, or back to the taxiway, or into the ditch. At least you would
have a fighting chance to avoid a catastrophe.


Why can't the incoming pilot see you and go around?



Sitting straight, some planes couldn't see squat, so there is a *good*
reason
for the sideways trick. It couldn't take more than 3 or 4 seconds to get
straight
in the first part of your takeoff roll.


How long it takes depends on the airplane. "Position and Hold" means "taxi
onto the departure runway in takeoff position and hold." If you hold in a
position that requires additional ground maneuvering before beginning your
takeoff roll you have not complied with the instruction.

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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The OPs point was that he could see the plane approaching and taxi off the
runway out of the way.


Why can't the approaching plane see the OP's plane and go around?

If you hold in a
position that requires additional ground maneuvering before beginning your
takeoff roll you have not complied with the instruction.

However if you can begin your takeoff roll from the position in which
you have stopped, and straighten out =on= your takeoff roll, you have
complied with the instruction.

Jose
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You're arguing for the sake of the argument. I quit.
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Jim in NC