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depending what was in the contract they signed... I'm sure a few lawyers
will be interested in these "voluntary resignations".. that means they can't collect un employment benefits These folks will all get unemployment benefits, whether they are eligible or not. Remember: The bureacrats who run our government aren't interested in fixing problems. On the contrary, they depend on more and more people needing their help, in order to thrive. They therefore have an unstoppable will (and, sadly, unchecked ability) to bring more people into their care -- and this provides them with absolute job security. I've seen the system in action (in Iowa and Wisconsin), and it is a farce. If it weren't so sad, it would be laughable. And we ALL pay for it, in the long run. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Tom Conner" wrote: "Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message oups.com... I read somewhere that NetJets lost $143M in 2005. I always felt that offering fractional ownership of a plane for business purposes was not a sustainable business model. Corporate private flying is primarily ego driven (must have plane - makes me look important), not business driven. For most companies it is an unnecessary expense, so they will eventually drop it. The next aviation business failure appears to be the idea that very light jets can be used as business transportation between small airports. Maybe, maybe not. The next few years will tell. In some cases, perhaps. But in most cases, business is done face to face. Corporate/private aviation is the only way to assure privacy and timely contact. Airlines and their schedules are too unreliable. Corporate executives that have the authority to make deals happen are too valuable, highly compensated and their time is too valuable to have them sitting around an airline gate where they can be recognized, waiting for a plane that may or may not arrive and depart on time. I worked for NetJets 12 years ago as a dispatcher. I saw where jets went and who was onboard. I knew who was going, but not who they were meeting. It was only after a deal was reported in the WSJ that I learned who the target in a merger/acquisition was. |
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I worked for NetJets 12 years ago as a dispatcher. I saw where jets went
and who was onboard. I knew who was going, but not who they were meeting. It was only after a deal was reported in the WSJ that I learned who the target in a merger/acquisition was. Dispatchers didn't talk to each other? Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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I worked for NetJets 12 years ago as a dispatcher. I saw where jets went
and who was onboard. I knew who was going, but not who they were meeting. It was only after a deal was reported in the WSJ that I learned who the target in a merger/acquisition was. Dispatchers didn't talk to each other? ? |
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Dispatchers didn't talk to each other?
? If you know who's going where from your airport, and the (NetJet) dispatchers from the other airports know who's going where from their respective airports, much could be inferred by putting the info together. Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message ... "Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com wrote: The only thing I see that might have been unethical was the horsesh... feathers about signing a voluntary termination note. That released the employer from any obligation for paying unemployment benefits. While it may have been unethical, it was NOT illegal. not knowing the US system: what would have been the outcome if he refused to sign the letter? He would have been fired with the same outcome (but with unemployment benefits). Many (most?) states in the US allow professional employees to be terminated without cause and without recourse by the employee. However, the employee can still make the claim that he/she was improperly terminated (age, religion, sex, etc.) and can sue the ex-employer. Even if the employee loses in court, there can still be substantial legal expenses for the employer, and there is always the chance that the ex-employee will win in court. So, many pragmatic employers offer a "golden handshake". I.E. if you'll go away quietly, we'll compensate you financially. This usually involves signing a document which releases the ex-employer of any legal liability for terminating the employee. Once the document is signed, the ex-employee gets a check, a series of checks, extended benefits, etc. KB #m -- NTSB Accident Report: THE PILOT IN COMMAND'S IMPROPER INFLIGHT DECISION TO DIVERT HER ATTENTION TO OTHER ACTIVITIES NOT RELATED TO THE CONDUCT OF THE FLIGHT. http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001212X18632&key=1 |
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"Tom Conner" wrote in message news "Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message oups.com... I read somewhere that NetJets lost $143M in 2005. I always felt that offering fractional ownership of a plane for business purposes was not a sustainable business model. Corporate private flying is primarily ego driven (must have plane - makes me look important), not business driven. For most companies it is an unnecessary expense, so they will eventually drop it. The next aviation business failure appears to be the idea that very light jets can be used as business transportation between small airports. Maybe, maybe not. The next few years will tell. I agree. My employer purchased a G-IV some years back. If the CEO wasn't aboard, the airplane wasn't going anywhere. The most frequent flights for the aircraft were 300 mile hops to various high end golf courses and resorts. The CEO got serious kicks out of having the biggest jet on the field, wherever he flew. I think he eventually realized that people were giggling behind his back at the (mis)use of such a capable aircraft, so it was sold... I remember going on a trip to the UK once upon a time when there were about 8 of us going to the same destination. One of our 3 senior VP's, our corporate lawyer, a couple of other higher-ups, and several engineers and managers. At that time, we were about 1 year into the G-IV and I realized that we'd never use the airplane for its intended purpose when the 8 of us all flew commercial. |
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In article ,
Jose wrote: Dispatchers didn't talk to each other? ? If you know who's going where from your airport, and the (NetJet) dispatchers from the other airports know who's going where from their respective airports, much could be inferred by putting the info together. That's not the way the system is set up. All NetJet pilots in North America talk to NetJet dispatchers in the North American operations center. Nowadays, the dispatchers are grouped by aircraft type/fleet (Citation X's, Falcon 2000's, Citation Excel's, etc.). Back when I did it, NetJets had less than 100 aircraft (Citation IIS's, Citation III's, Hawker 1000's). The day and night shifts were each staffed by three dispatchers and a supervisor. Graveyard shift had only one dispatcher. We all had access to any aircraft's information. The crew used to contact operations via telephone for a release and trip/pax information prior to departure and again upon landing with flight numbers . Now they communicate via Blackberry's. There are separate operations centers for Europe and the Middle East. |
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We all had access to any aircraft's information.
A gold mine. Nobody put two and two together? Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:56:11 -0400, "Kyle Boatright"
wrote: "Martin Hotze" wrote in message ... "Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com wrote: The only thing I see that might have been unethical was the horsesh... feathers about signing a voluntary termination note. That released the employer from any obligation for paying unemployment benefits. While it may have been unethical, it was NOT illegal. not knowing the US system: what would have been the outcome if he refused to sign the letter? He would have been fired with the same outcome (but with unemployment benefits). Many (most?) states in the US allow professional employees to be terminated without cause and without recourse by the employee. However, the employee can still make the claim that he/she was improperly terminated (age, religion, sex, etc.) and can sue the ex-employer. Even if the employee loses in court, there can still be substantial legal expenses for the employer, and there is always the chance that the ex-employee will win in court. I don't think that's necessarily what they're talking about here. If presented correctly, this is a case of "We don't want you any more, so sign this document which states that you resign, clean out your desk and leave", not "your services are no longer required, thanks, go home". Since the employee didn't resign at all but were released by the company, is it legal for the company to make them sign documentation stating that the employee initiated the severance, and why would they create a paper trail in which it would appear the employee quit rather than the employer initiating a staff reduction or reorganization in the first place? |
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