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Old April 17th 04, 04:23 PM
Ryan
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While going through my grandfather's war photo album, I came across a
photo of some German aircraft wreckage.

Only the tail sections are visible, and despite my efforts, I can't
identify them.

http://www.geocities.com/newsgrouppictures/

I would be fascinated to know what planes these are and any information
about when and where they were used.

-Ryan
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Old April 17th 04, 06:28 PM
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"Ryan" wrote in message
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http://www.geocities.com/newsgrouppictures/

I would be fascinated to know what planes these are and any information
about when and where they were used.

-Ryan


Heinkel 177 - Greif and Gotha 242?


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Old April 17th 04, 07:04 PM
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:23:37 GMT, Ryan wrote:

While going through my grandfather's war photo album, I came across a
photo of some German aircraft wreckage.

Only the tail sections are visible, and despite my efforts, I can't
identify them.

http://www.geocities.com/newsgrouppictures/

I would be fascinated to know what planes these are and any information
about when and where they were used.

-Ryan


Well, most of the wreckages appear to be Ju 52s... the one closest to the
camera may be a Ju 88.

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Old April 18th 04, 08:04 AM
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"Ryan" wrote in message
...
While going through my grandfather's war photo album, I came across a
photo of some German aircraft wreckage.

Only the tail sections are visible, and despite my efforts, I can't
identify them.

http://www.geocities.com/newsgrouppictures/


The biggest part of them appear to be JU 58's: all that corrugated
sheet metal is a big tip off. I think what may be confusing you is
that the rudders are missing from nearly all the vertical stabilizers;
the one exception near the center of the frame shows the over-all
shape you're looking for.
The left most tail section is something else. The tail's different
(the rudder appears to be that old style that extends a top portion
forward of the hinge line), not corrugated, comparable in size to
the Ju58, kind of slab sided, horizontal tail plane mounted high
on the fuselage; probably another transport or large bomber.
But I haven't a clue which one.
There just isn't enough of that large piece to the far right for me
to guess about what part of a plane it might be.
German planes aren't my strong point.

I would be fascinated to know what planes these are and any information
about when and where they were used.


Ju 58's were transports and used every where by the WWII Germans:
they filled the same roles as the American C-47, just not as well.



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Old April 18th 04, 09:13 AM
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John Keeney wrote:

"Ryan" wrote in message
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While going through my grandfather's war photo album, I came across a
photo of some German aircraft wreckage.

Only the tail sections are visible, and despite my efforts, I can't
identify them.

http://www.geocities.com/newsgrouppictures/


The biggest part of them appear to be JU 58's:


??

Guy


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Old April 19th 04, 06:01 AM
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"Guy Alcala" wrote in message
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John Keeney wrote:

"Ryan" wrote in message
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While going through my grandfather's war photo album, I came across a
photo of some German aircraft wreckage.

Only the tail sections are visible, and despite my efforts, I can't
identify them.

http://www.geocities.com/newsgrouppictures/


The biggest part of them appear to be JU 58's:


??


There are at least eight tail sections visible, part of
that total -in fact the biggest part, six- are very likely
to be Ju 58's and one other is likely a Ju 58.



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Old April 18th 04, 10:19 AM
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"John Keeney" wrote in message
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Ju 58's were transports and used every where by the WWII Germans:
they filled the same roles as the American C-47, just not as well.


Funny I thought the aircraft that filled that role was the Ju-52

Keith


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Old April 18th 04, 12:22 PM
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Funny I thought the aircraft that filled that role was the Ju-52

Keith


In Africa, the Gotha Go242 and 244 did that job!


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Old April 18th 04, 02:39 PM
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"Bob's Your Uncle" wrote in message
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Funny I thought the aircraft that filled that role was the Ju-52

Keith


In Africa, the Gotha Go242 and 244 did that job!



No sir the Go-242 was an assault glider, the 244 was fitted
with 2 engines but was slow and exceptionally vulnerable.
Only 176 were in fact built

The mainstay of the air supply for the DAK was the JU-52
supplemented by the Me-323

Keith


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Old April 18th 04, 02:23 PM
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In article ,
"Bob's Your Uncle" writes:

Funny I thought the aircraft that filled that role was the Ju-52

Keith


In Africa, the Gotha Go242 and 244 did that job!


Erm... The Go 242 was a glider. Not much use without a powered
airplane to tow it. The airplane the Germans used was (Wait for it!)
The Ju 52.
The Go 244 was an attempt to build a powered Go 242. It wasn't
successful, being woefully underpowered. Two line units briefly
converted to the Go 244 from Ju 52s in early 1942. Within 6 months,
one (K.Gr.z.b.V 104) had converted to Me 323s, and the other,
(K.Gr.z.b.V. 106) had converted back to Ju 52s. The surviving Ar 244s
were used for a short time at the Parachute Training Schools.

Both the Go 242 and Go 244 were made of smooth plywood, and had
twin tails mounted on booms, rather than the substantial currugated
metal fuselages with large fins (& occasionally rudders) shown in the
photograph,

The squared-off currugated ones are Ju 52s. The more rounded one on
the left is a Ju 88.

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Pete Stickney
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