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Jay Honeck wrote:
As I watch your posts, your stupidity is hilarious at the minimum,
and criminal at the maximum. If you are a pilot, you exhibit a
stupidity only exhibited by various US politicians.

Please do not feed the trolls... As much as I appreciate your
defense, I think it's safe to say that any real pilots here have long
since discovered that "Bertie" is nothing but a troll -- and
responding to him in any way only feeds his mental illness.

Nah, Bertie is an opinionated, crusty, sometimes informative,
sometimes entertaining, sometimes annoying, old fart that doesn't
suffer fools easily, but definately is not a troll.

Like others that have achieved this status, he could give a crap less
what anyone thinks of him and just says what he feels without having
the need to justify it.

Thenkew. though i object to the crusty part. I do use a loofah as often as
I can.


Bertie

Nah, Bertie is an opinionated, crusty, sometimes informative, sometimes
entertaining, sometimes annoying, old fart that doesn't suffer fools
easily, but definately is not a troll.

You're definition of troll is certainly unusual.

Anyone who responds with a knee-jerk "fujkwit!" to every, single post that
is made by another poster is, by definition, a troll.

Anyone who responds with personal attacks and lies for the sole purpose of
stirring controversy and provoking a response is, by definition, a troll.

Any aviation contributions Bertie may make here are completely incidental to
this sad fact. His mental illness (and that's what it is -- let's call a
spade a spade) has negated any positive impact he may have once been able to
contribute.

It's truly a shame, but that's why the kill file was invented.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
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Nah, Bertie is an opinionated, crusty, sometimes informative,
sometimes entertaining, sometimes annoying, old fart that doesn't
suffer fools easily, but definately is not a troll.

You're definition of troll is certainly unusual.

Your's is asinine.

Anyone who responds with a knee-jerk "fujkwit!" to every, single post
that is made by another poster is, by definition, a troll.

Nope.
The definition of a troll is a poster who posts strictly to elicit a
particular response. In my case I troll to reveal people for who they
really are without regard to how it may make me appear. I've found it to
be an interesting,educational and productive exercise for all concerned.
Once I hace a trollee shrieking, I can generally expose ever more of his
idiocy or hypocrisy simply by pushing all the right buttons. I'm real
good at it too, which of course, exposes even more buttons.
People that don't have those buttons or who are smart enough to realise
that they do have them, but keep them properly under control, are almost
untrollable. Well, I could probably still troll them, but I'm not that
energetic. Anyhow, there are lots of people here like that and they know
it. It takes about three posts, maybe a bit more to spot the difference
and it usually takes even fewer to spot someone who has more buttons
than an Airbus.

Guess which category you fit into?

Anyone who responds with personal attacks and lies for the sole
purpose of stirring controversy and provoking a response is, by
definition, a troll.

Actually, I only respond with personal attacks to assholes, as anyone
can see.
With Bertie, you get exactly what you deserve. No more or less.
And, I'm not a democracy.



Any aviation contributions Bertie may make here are completely
incidental to this sad fact. His mental illness (and that's what it
is -- let's call a spade a spade) has negated any positive impact he
may have once been able to contribute.


Well, in fact, the FAA would disagree with you, fjukkwit. now there's a
surprise, eh?

As to your little campaign to get me out of here so you can go on
posting your crap unmolested, well, good luck with that! I'll watch with
interest!

Oh wait! You can't read this! Looks like I just wasted two minutes
typing this up....

Bwawhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhhhwawhahwhhahwh!


Bertie

wrote:
[...] he could give a crap less
what anyone thinks of him and just says what he feels without having
the need to justify it.

Looks like a fallacy, specifically: special pleading:

Why is that justification considered valid when applied to an anonymous
poster like Bertie but not valid when applied to a poster who uses his real
name like Jay?

As far as I can tell Jay has just as much right to "give a crap less what
anyone thinks of him" and just say what he feels about "Bertie" without
having to justify it.

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Once I hace a trollee shrieking, I can generally expose ever more of his
idiocy or hypocrisy simply by pushing all the right buttons.

Mxsmanic was your target, right? Thanks to your magnanimous (or self-
centered) gesture everyone but the target is shrieking. All buttons, right
and wrong, appear to have been pushed.

Good work - I think your work here is done! :-)

"Jay Honeck" wrote:
I know it's hard to resist the temptation, but the only way to make
posters like Bertie go away is to give them no response. Sooner or
later they find another playground to terrorize.

I don't think that would drive him away. But for other reasons I think it
is generally a good idea to not respond to every provocation.

It appears Bertie doesn't like you - based on his past posts (haven't read
them all) I'd guess it is because you have political views that differ from
his, he thinks you're a bigot because of views you have expressed with
regard to illegal immigration, and you use employment practices that appear
to be needlessly callous. (Again - all just guesses.)

He might also think you're a self-centered blow-hard, but if so, I'd say he
was spitting into the wind on that count. ;-) (Practically by definition I
think one has to be a self-centered blow-hard to post responses to Usenet.
:-) )

Jim Logajan wrote:
wrote:
[...] he could give a crap less
what anyone thinks of him and just says what he feels without having
the need to justify it.

Looks like a fallacy, specifically: special pleading:

Why is that justification considered valid when applied to an anonymous
poster like Bertie but not valid when applied to a poster who uses his real
name like Jay?

I never said it was or anything about anonymous posters.

As far as I can tell Jay has just as much right to "give a crap less what
anyone thinks of him" and just say what he feels about "Bertie" without
having to justify it.

I never said he didn't.

Bottom line:

Jay said Bertie is a troll.

I said Bertie is something else.


--
Jim Pennino

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Jim Logajan wrote in
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wrote:
[...] he could give a crap less
what anyone thinks of him and just says what he feels without having
the need to justify it.

Looks like a fallacy, specifically: special pleading:

Why is that justification considered valid when applied to an
anonymous poster like Bertie but not valid when applied to a poster
who uses his real name like Jay?

As far as I can tell Jay has just as much right to "give a crap less
what anyone thinks of him" and just say what he feels about "Bertie"
without having to justify it.



He has the right, of course. He doesn't use it because he can't.

Bertie

wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:
wrote:
[...] he could give a crap less
what anyone thinks of him and just says what he feels without
having the need to justify it.

Looks like a fallacy, specifically: special pleading:

Why is that justification considered valid when applied to an
anonymous poster like Bertie but not valid when applied to a poster
who uses his real name like Jay?

I never said it was or anything about anonymous posters.

Ah, okay. It was a rhetorical question anyway. Doesn't seem to have made
the point I intended.

As far as I can tell Jay has just as much right to "give a crap less
what anyone thinks of him" and just say what he feels about "Bertie"
without having to justify it.

I never said he didn't.

True enough. I thought your post was intended as a defense of Bertie, but
in retrospect it is just an observation. Mea culpa.

Bottom line:

Jay said Bertie is a troll.

I said Bertie is something else.

I hear New Zealand thinks differently. ;-)

Me, I think I should stifle my temptation to jump into these personality
debates.

Jim Logajan wrote in
:

"Jay Honeck" wrote:
I know it's hard to resist the temptation, but the only way to make
posters like Bertie go away is to give them no response. Sooner or
later they find another playground to terrorize.

I don't think that would drive him away. But for other reasons I think
it is generally a good idea to not respond to every provocation.

Responses vary.

It appears Bertie doesn't like you - based on his past posts (haven't
read them all) I'd guess it is because you have political views that
differ from his, he thinks you're a bigot because of views you have
expressed with regard to illegal immigration, and you use employment
practices that appear to be needlessly callous. (Again - all just
guesses.)


Not correct. I was playing battleship with him on that ane and sunk his
submarine with a hit.

He might also think you're a self-centered blow-hard,

Amongst other things.

But I can forgive everything bar hypocrisy and a lack of a sense of humor,
whihc pretty much leaves Jay ****ed.


Bertie