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Old March 10th 04, 06:06 PM
john smith
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The April 2004 PLANE&PILOT has a review of the 1974 Piper Pathfinder.
A table at the end of the article compares the 74 Pathfinder to the 74
Skylane.

I don't think Jay is going to be flying over Pike's Peak (14,110 feet)
unless he gets a Cessna. :-)
Service Ceiling PA28-235 ... 13,550
Service Ceiling C182.........17,700

Some other interesting numbers stand out in the comparison.

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Old March 10th 04, 08:38 PM
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:06:16 GMT, john smith wrote in
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I don't think Jay is going to be flying over Pike's Peak (14,110 feet)
unless he gets a Cessna. :-)
Service Ceiling PA28-235 ... 13,550
Service Ceiling C182.........17,700


He should be glad he didn't purchase a Charger:
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/unprote...erf_1475B.html

Cessna doesn't reveal the Skylane's useful load:
http://skylane.cessna.com/spec_perf.chtml


Is the Piper or Cessna able to carry the most payload with full tanks?


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Old March 10th 04, 09:40 PM
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:06:16 GMT, john smith wrote in
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I don't think Jay is going to be flying over Pike's Peak (14,110 feet)
unless he gets a Cessna. :-)
Service Ceiling PA28-235 ... 13,550
Service Ceiling C182.........17,700



He should be glad he didn't purchase a Charger:
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/unprote...erf_1475B.html

Cessna doesn't reveal the Skylane's useful load:
http://skylane.cessna.com/spec_perf.chtml


Is the Piper or Cessna able to carry the most payload with full tanks?


keeping in mind that these are 1974 models...
Pathfinder 182
average equipped new list price $36,490 $30,475
current values $63,000 $79,000
price appreciation factor 172% 259%
gross weight (lbs) 3,000 2,950
empth weight (lbs) 1,550 1,645
useful load (lbs) 1,450 1,305
horsepower 235 230
power loading (lbs/hp) 12.8 12.8
wing loading (lbs/sqft) 17.6 16.9
total fuel capacity (gal) 82 79
payload, max fuel (lbs) 958 831
cruise speed, 75% (kts) 133 139
best rate of climb SL (fpm) 800 890
Vso 52 50
takeoff run (ft) 850 705
landing run (ft) 1,040 590

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Old March 10th 04, 10:25 PM
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I don't think Jay is going to be flying over Pike's Peak (14,110 feet)
unless he gets a Cessna. :-)
Service Ceiling PA28-235 ... 13,550
Service Ceiling C182.........17,700


We've never had any reason to fly higher than 12,500 -- even when we flew to
the Grand Canyon. But we were still climbing pretty smartly when we leveled
off, so I wonder about that ceiling. (Doubt I'll be finding out anytime
soon, however. I don't have an oxygen system.)

current values $63,000 $79,000


Pfffft! What year are these prices from? I haven't seen a decent
Pathfinder go for less than $80K since we bought ours in 2002. There are
several for sale in T-A-P for $95K+.

useful load (lbs) 1,450 1,305


Yep, that's what makes the Pathfinder such an awesome plane. To be able to
haul four 200 pounders, full tanks, AND baggage is a wonderful thing.

best rate of climb SL (fpm) 800 890


Totally bogus. We routinely see 1000+ fpm. Although, to be fair, our
Pathfinder has every speed mod ever made for it, so I don't know what a
stock bird would do.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


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Old March 11th 04, 12:30 AM
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:40:26 GMT, john smith wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:06:16 GMT, john smith wrote in
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I don't think Jay is going to be flying over Pike's Peak (14,110 feet)
unless he gets a Cessna. :-)
Service Ceiling PA28-235 ... 13,550
Service Ceiling C182.........17,700



He should be glad he didn't purchase a Charger:
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/unprote...erf_1475B.html

Cessna doesn't reveal the Skylane's useful load:
http://skylane.cessna.com/spec_perf.chtml


Is the Piper or Cessna able to carry the most payload with full tanks?


keeping in mind that these are 1974 models...
Pathfinder 182
average equipped new list price $36,490 $30,475
current values $63,000 $79,000
price appreciation factor 172% 259%
gross weight (lbs) 3,000 2,950
empth weight (lbs) 1,550 1,645
useful load (lbs) 1,450 1,305
horsepower 235 230
power loading (lbs/hp) 12.8 12.8
wing loading (lbs/sqft) 17.6 16.9

Service Ceiling (ft) 13,550 17,700
total fuel capacity (gal) 82 79
payload, max fuel (lbs) 958 831
cruise speed, 75% (kts) 133 139
best rate of climb SL (fpm) 800 890
Vso 52 50
takeoff run (ft) 850 705
landing run (ft) 1,040 590


The Skylane carries about 150 pounds less, at 4-1/2% greater speed, to
a 3,150' higher altitude, with a substantially shorter landing run due
to the Pathfinder's more pronounced ground-effect, and it has two
doors. If the Pathfinder were loaded 150 pounds lighter, it would
reduce the difference between it and the Skylane. If the performance
numbers were the sole criteria in selecting between the two, who could
argue against the Skylane? It even has better sagebrush clearance and
a rain porch, and for photography and pipeline work, ...

Have you got any cabin dimensions?




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Old March 11th 04, 12:36 AM
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:25:11 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
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I don't have an oxygen system.


You don't need one below 14,500'.

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Old March 11th 04, 12:42 AM
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:36:31 GMT, Larry Dighera
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:25:11 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
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[email protected]_s03:

I don't have an oxygen system.


You don't need one below 14,500'.


.... for 30 minutes.
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Old March 11th 04, 12:55 AM
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:36:31 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote in Message-Id: :

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:25:11 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in Message-Id:
[email protected]_s03:

I don't have an oxygen system.


You don't need one below 14,500'.


... for 30 minutes.


....on a day with low enough pressure to reduce the cabin altitude by 500'.

-- David Brooks


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Old March 11th 04, 02:18 AM
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I suspect that the 182's shorter landing performance has more to do with its
better flaps and consequent lower approach speed than with ground effect.

Mike
MU-2

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:40:26 GMT, john smith wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:06:16 GMT, john smith wrote in
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I don't think Jay is going to be flying over Pike's Peak (14,110 feet)
unless he gets a Cessna. :-)
Service Ceiling PA28-235 ... 13,550
Service Ceiling C182.........17,700


He should be glad he didn't purchase a Charger:
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/unprote...erf_1475B.html

Cessna doesn't reveal the Skylane's useful load:
http://skylane.cessna.com/spec_perf.chtml


Is the Piper or Cessna able to carry the most payload with full tanks?


keeping in mind that these are 1974 models...
Pathfinder 182
average equipped new list price $36,490 $30,475
current values $63,000 $79,000
price appreciation factor 172% 259%
gross weight (lbs) 3,000 2,950
empth weight (lbs) 1,550 1,645
useful load (lbs) 1,450 1,305
horsepower 235 230
power loading (lbs/hp) 12.8 12.8
wing loading (lbs/sqft) 17.6 16.9

Service Ceiling (ft) 13,550 17,700
total fuel capacity (gal) 82 79
payload, max fuel (lbs) 958 831
cruise speed, 75% (kts) 133 139
best rate of climb SL (fpm) 800 890
Vso 52 50
takeoff run (ft) 850 705
landing run (ft) 1,040 590


The Skylane carries about 150 pounds less, at 4-1/2% greater speed, to
a 3,150' higher altitude, with a substantially shorter landing run due
to the Pathfinder's more pronounced ground-effect, and it has two
doors. If the Pathfinder were loaded 150 pounds lighter, it would
reduce the difference between it and the Skylane. If the performance
numbers were the sole criteria in selecting between the two, who could
argue against the Skylane? It even has better sagebrush clearance and
a rain porch, and for photography and pipeline work, ...

Have you got any cabin dimensions?






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Old March 11th 04, 02:34 AM
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:40:26 GMT, john smith wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:06:16 GMT, john smith wrote in
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I don't think Jay is going to be flying over Pike's Peak (14,110 feet)
unless he gets a Cessna. :-)
Service Ceiling PA28-235 ... 13,550
Service Ceiling C182.........17,700


He should be glad he didn't purchase a Charger:
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/unprote...erf_1475B.html

Cessna doesn't reveal the Skylane's useful load:
http://skylane.cessna.com/spec_perf.chtml


Is the Piper or Cessna able to carry the most payload with full tanks?


keeping in mind that these are 1974 models...
Pathfinder 182
average equipped new list price $36,490 $30,475
current values $63,000 $79,000
price appreciation factor 172% 259%
gross weight (lbs) 3,000 2,950
empth weight (lbs) 1,550 1,645
useful load (lbs) 1,450 1,305
horsepower 235 230
power loading (lbs/hp) 12.8 12.8
wing loading (lbs/sqft) 17.6 16.9


Service Ceiling (ft) 13,550 17,700

total fuel capacity (gal) 82 79
payload, max fuel (lbs) 958 831
cruise speed, 75% (kts) 133 139
best rate of climb SL (fpm) 800 890
Vso 52 50
takeoff run (ft) 850 705
landing run (ft) 1,040 590



with a substantially shorter landing run due to the Pathfinder's
more pronounced ground-effect


If you are floating in ground effect, your approach speed is too fast
for your landing weight!

Have you got any cabin dimensions?


Cabin dimensions found in the PIM's I have for each aircraft do not
include baggage compartment volumes for either aircraft.

 




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