Replacement for C130?

"Hobo" wrote in message
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"Tex Houston" wrote:

Granted, these are the stretched
version, CC-130J, but are part of the planned or delivered total of 168
C-130J/CC-130J.

What is the weight capacity of the stretched version? How does it
compare to the new Airbus plane?

Sorry, you will have to do your own research. I suggest "Air Force
Magazine" May 2003 and www.google.com .

Example:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-130.htm

http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/C_130_Hercules.html

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/hercules/

Airbus Military is at:

http://www.airbusmilitary.com/home.html

but I know very little about them and I figure the chance of the USAF buying
the Airbus 400M as a C-130 replacement is nil.

Tex Houston

Hobo wrote:
In article ,
"Tex Houston" wrote:
Granted, these are the stretched
version, CC-130J, but are part of the planned or delivered total of 168
C-130J/CC-130J.

What is the weight capacity of the stretched version? How does it
compare to the new Airbus plane?

From official documentation of both companies.

C-130J C-130J-30 A400M
MTOW 69,750kg 74,393kg 110,850kg
Max payload 17,373kg 21,690kg 25,000kg
Range @ max payload 2729nm 2517nm 1700nm
Speed 356kts 356kts 300kts
Unit cost (US$) ~$48m ~$55m ~$80m

Cheers
David

David Bromage ) writes:
Hobo wrote:
In article ,
"Tex Houston" wrote:
Granted, these are the stretched
version, CC-130J, but are part of the planned or delivered total of 168
C-130J/CC-130J.

What is the weight capacity of the stretched version? How does it
compare to the new Airbus plane?

From official documentation of both companies.

C-130J C-130J-30 A400M
MTOW 69,750kg 74,393kg 110,850kg
Max payload 17,373kg 21,690kg 25,000kg
Range @ max payload 2729nm 2517nm 1700nm
Speed 356kts 356kts 300kts
Unit cost (US$) ~$48m ~$55m ~$80m

Cheers
David

So the Airbus will be bought by many air forces as carries 15% more
payload. Has 60% of the range, is 16% slower and costs 45% more.

In article ,
(Darrell A. Larose) wrote:

David Bromage ) writes:

From official documentation of both companies.

C-130J C-130J-30 A400M
MTOW 69,750kg 74,393kg 110,850kg
Max payload 17,373kg 21,690kg 25,000kg
Range @ max payload 2729nm 2517nm 1700nm
Speed 356kts 356kts 300kts
Unit cost (US$) ~$48m ~$55m ~$80m

So the Airbus will be bought by many air forces as carries 15% more
payload. Has 60% of the range, is 16% slower and costs 45% more.

That airspeed for the A400 seems awfully low - I've seen references to
speeds of 422 knots.

The payload is supposed to be closer to 35,000 kg for the A400.

The price is off, too. They're going for about $125 million each.

Here's a somewhat-recent story:

http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20030527-112105-4695r.htm

The other advantage the A400 has is a wider and taller fuselage,
compared to the C-130. That interior landing gear wheel box gets in the
way of a lot of wide loads. Of course, the US tends to stick bigger
loads into C-17s.

Of course, the A400 isn't even supposed to get into their inventory
until at least 2009, and the US is already working on the Advanced
Theater Transport...

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"David Bromage" wrote in message
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Hobo wrote:
In article ,
"Tex Houston" wrote:
Granted, these are the stretched
version, CC-130J, but are part of the planned or delivered total of 168
C-130J/CC-130J.

What is the weight capacity of the stretched version? How does it
compare to the new Airbus plane?

From official documentation of both companies.

C-130J C-130J-30 A400M
MTOW 69,750kg 74,393kg 110,850kg
Max payload 17,373kg 21,690kg 25,000kg
Range @ max payload 2729nm 2517nm 1700nm
Speed 356kts 356kts 300kts
Unit cost (US$) ~$48m ~$55m ~$80m

Cheers
David


There's a mistake in the speeds you listed. The values quoted for the C-130J
and C-130J-30 are KTAS (knots, True Air Speed). The 300 kts published by
Airbus is, and they are very specific about that, CAS (calibrated air
speed). The values for the C-130's are, to be more specific, TAS at 22,000
feet. In comparison, an A400 doing 300 KCAS at 22,000 feet would be flying
approximately 425 KTAS, considerably faster than the C-130J. Even more, the
design cruise altitude for the A400 is 29,000 ft, at which 300 KCAS would be
approximately 480 KTAS. The cruise Mach number for the C-130J is listed as
Mach 0.59, while that of the Airbus is 0.68 - 0.72.

Also, Airbus quotes 37,000 kg as max payload. With this payload they indeed
claim 1700nm range. However, for a similar payload to the max payload of the
C130 (20,000 kg), the range of the A400 is listed as 3550 nm.