Shock news EUROFIGHTER to be axed in RAF program changes.

News just in from RAF MOD in UK

Eurofighter for the RAF it seems is to be axed after only 144 aircraft
due to engine and delivery failures... from the UK MOD

UCAV to replace it instead it seems.

is the eurofighter program totally dead now ? time will tell but with
1/2 the total order cancelled seems pilot are dead ducks too...

Aerophotos wrote in message ...
News just in from RAF MOD in UK

Eurofighter for the RAF it seems is to be axed after only 144 aircraft
due to engine and delivery failures... from the UK MOD

UCAV to replace it instead it seems.

is the eurofighter program totally dead now ? time will tell but with
1/2 the total order cancelled seems pilot are dead ducks too...


Hundreds of Typhoons will be produced during a number of years to come...
I wouldn't exactly call that "totally dead".

"Marcus Andersson" wrote in message
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Aerophotos wrote in message
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News just in from RAF MOD in UK

Eurofighter for the RAF it seems is to be axed after only 144 aircraft
due to engine and delivery failures... from the UK MOD

UCAV to replace it instead it seems.

is the eurofighter program totally dead now ? time will tell but with
1/2 the total order cancelled seems pilot are dead ducks too...


Hundreds of Typhoons will be produced during a number of years to come...
I wouldn't exactly call that "totally dead".

As ususal Aerophotos aka Jolly Green Giant is hallucinating.

There was a speculative piece in the Grauniad a couple of weeks
touting the idea that 1/3 of the production MAY bet at risk, that
is 236 out of the planned 620 aircraft.

The initial production aircraft are being delivered with both
the RAF and Spanish Air Force having received aircraft.

Keith

Aghh you may wana check your knowledge...

the RAF has just had the 2nd batch for air ground work cancelled.. hence
what i wrote came from MOD.

MOD told the newspaper..MOD made the decision to cut the RAF euro force
in to less.



Keith Willshaw wrote:

"Marcus Andersson" wrote in message
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Aerophotos wrote in message
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News just in from RAF MOD in UK

Eurofighter for the RAF it seems is to be axed after only 144 aircraft
due to engine and delivery failures... from the UK MOD

UCAV to replace it instead it seems.

is the eurofighter program totally dead now ? time will tell but with
1/2 the total order cancelled seems pilot are dead ducks too...


Hundreds of Typhoons will be produced during a number of years to come...
I wouldn't exactly call that "totally dead".

As ususal Aerophotos aka Jolly Green Giant is hallucinating.

There was a speculative piece in the Grauniad a couple of weeks
touting the idea that 1/3 of the production MAY bet at risk, that
is 236 out of the planned 620 aircraft.

The initial production aircraft are being delivered with both
the RAF and Spanish Air Force having received aircraft.

Keith

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"Aerophotos" wrote in message
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Aghh you may wana check your knowledge...


I have

the RAF has just had the 2nd batch for air ground work cancelled.. hence
what i wrote came from MOD.

MOD told the newspaper..MOD made the decision to cut the RAF euro force
in to less.


Cite please

No such story is carried on either the MOD site, the BBC , EADS or
the other sources I checked today. While negotiations are ongoing the
points at issue have been reported as the level of equipment and
upgrades involved.

There's a story in todays Daily Telegraph again suggesting the Third
tranche may be delayed or cancelled but nothing about the second tranche
and it ends

Quote
A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence insisted that the Eurofighter was
an effective aircraft but declined to comment on future spending
announcements.
"We are still committed to Eurofighter," he said.
/Quote

Interestingly pressure to accelerate the orders for the second tranche
is now coming from Germany which is keen to replace some of its
obsolescent aircraft currently in service.

Keith

The story as it ran in the Aero-News email letter this morning:

UK Eurofighter Gets The Ax
One-Third Cut In British Defense Spending Puts Warplane On
Hiatus


It's late, over budget and now, out
of date. The British procurement of the so-called Eurofighter is
over.


The Eurofighter -- Britain's version is called the Typhoon --
"is a dead duck. Unfortunately we are stuck with it, but there is
no way this Government is going to buy any more. It's expensive and
obsolete."


That word came from a senior Defense Ministry official quoted in
the London Daily Telegraph. British military leaders apparently
agreed with the assessment, but only after being assured the
savings would be spent on UCAVs, smart missiles and other high-tech
weapons systems.


Two phases of the Typhoon deployment have already been carried
out. So far, 144 aircraft have been delivered. The first 55 --
air-combat only -- were six years late. The second batch of 89
aircraft, which have ground-attack capabilities, has yet to be
delivered.


All Eurofighters are now grounded because of engine
problems.


There are even questions about the need for a Eurofighter fleet.
Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, the former Chief of the Defence Staff
who retired earlier in the year, was skeptical of the need for more
Eurofighters. He asked in an interview with the Telegraph, "Do we
need to have 232 fighters in the modern context?" His point is
this: UCAVs -- unmanned combat aerial vehicles -- will star
replacing manned aircraft within 20 years. That's just a few years
after the final batch of Eurofighters are due to enter service.
FMI: www.eurofighter.com


For the WHOLE story, go to
http://www.aero-news.net/news/milita...48b7&Dynamic=1

all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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The story as it ran in the Aero-News email letter this morning:

UK Eurofighter Gets The Ax
One-Third Cut In British Defense Spending Puts Warplane On
Hiatus


It's late, over budget and now, out
of date. The British procurement of the so-called Eurofighter is
over.


Which is contradictory in itself since the one third cut would
be the third tranche which is not due to be ordered until 2007


The Eurofighter -- Britain's version is called the Typhoon --
"is a dead duck. Unfortunately we are stuck with it, but there is
no way this Government is going to buy any more. It's expensive and
obsolete."


That word came from a senior Defense Ministry official quoted in
the London Daily Telegraph. British military leaders apparently
agreed with the assessment, but only after being assured the
savings would be spent on UCAVs, smart missiles and other high-tech
weapons systems.


Two phases of the Typhoon deployment have already been carried
out. So far, 144 aircraft have been delivered. The first 55 --
air-combat only -- were six years late. The second batch of 89
aircraft, which have ground-attack capabilities, has yet to be
delivered.


All Eurofighters are now grounded because of engine
problems.


No they were grounded on October 14 as a result of a brake failure


There are even questions about the need for a Eurofighter fleet.
Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, the former Chief of the Defence Staff
who retired earlier in the year, was skeptical of the need for more
Eurofighters. He asked in an interview with the Telegraph, "Do we
need to have 232 fighters in the modern context?" His point is
this: UCAVs -- unmanned combat aerial vehicles -- will star
replacing manned aircraft within 20 years. That's just a few years
after the final batch of Eurofighters are due to enter service.
FMI: www.eurofighter.com


Duncan Sandys said the same thing in the 50's as I recall

Plus Ca Change.Plus Ca Meme Chose

Keith

Two phases of the Typhoon deployment have already been carried
out. So far, 144 aircraft have been delivered. The first 55 --
air-combat only -- were six years late. The second batch of 89
aircraft, which have ground-attack capabilities, has yet to be
delivered.

144 have been delivered?? Seems a bit high to me.

Then somehow 89 of those 144 have not been delivered?


Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter

"Ron" wrote in message
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Two phases of the Typhoon deployment have already been carried
out. So far, 144 aircraft have been delivered. The first 55 --
air-combat only -- were six years late. The second batch of 89
aircraft, which have ground-attack capabilities, has yet to be
delivered.

144 have been delivered?? Seems a bit high to me.


It is

Then somehow 89 of those 144 have not been delivered?


Not even ordered yet, for the RAF the original plan called for
orders in 3 tranches, the first for is being delievered now, orders
for the second tranche (the 89) are under negotiation now and
must be ordered by Jan 1 2004 or there are consequences for
cost etc. The third tranche which is reportedly at risk is not
due to be ordered until 2007.

Keith

Maybe somebodu should tell the people who are working on the air to ground
side of things?

"Aerophotos" wrote in message
...
Aghh you may wana check your knowledge...

the RAF has just had the 2nd batch for air ground work cancelled.. hence
what i wrote came from MOD.

MOD told the newspaper..MOD made the decision to cut the RAF euro force
in to less.



Keith Willshaw wrote:

"Marcus Andersson" wrote in message
om...
Aerophotos wrote in message
...
News just in from RAF MOD in UK

Eurofighter for the RAF it seems is to be axed after only 144
aircraft
due to engine and delivery failures... from the UK MOD

UCAV to replace it instead it seems.

is the eurofighter program totally dead now ? time will tell but
with
1/2 the total order cancelled seems pilot are dead ducks too...


Hundreds of Typhoons will be produced during a number of years to
come...
I wouldn't exactly call that "totally dead".

As ususal Aerophotos aka Jolly Green Giant is hallucinating.

There was a speculative piece in the Grauniad a couple of weeks
touting the idea that 1/3 of the production MAY bet at risk, that
is 236 out of the planned 620 aircraft.

The initial production aircraft are being delivered with both
the RAF and Spanish Air Force having received aircraft.

Keith

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