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Talking Varios
If Hallmark can make a Birthday card talk, why can't we have a talking
vario? Meg Ryan voice from Harry met Sally. "Yes, yes, YES".... for climb. "Are you through".... when in sink. GA |
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glider wrote:
If Hallmark can make a Birthday card talk, why can't we have a talking vario? Meg Ryan voice from Harry met Sally. "Yes, yes, YES".... for climb. "Are you through".... when in sink. Well - I don't know about that, um, choice. But I was under the impression that Vario designers think like this: "Hey, what is the most annoying sound we can think of that would remove any possibility of a glider flight being a serene endeavor? Hmmm - its kind of like a robot, like, um R2D2. Yeah - that's it! We'll make it beep and boop! And then we'll throw out all sorts of legit rationale and they'll buy it!" Sometimes I think playing something like "Ride of the Valkyries" whose tempo or volume are played proportional to the lift. Or just about anything composed by Philip Glass (e.g. "Glassworks") ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V92OBNsQgxU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imbwn6iVryQ If you're going to soar on the wind, why not choose audio for a vario (for what is otherwise a utilitarian purpose) that makes your soul soar too? |
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On May 17, 3:55*pm, glider wrote:
If Hallmark can make a Birthday card talk, why can't we have a talking vario? Meg Ryan voice from Harry met Sally. *"Yes, yes, YES".... for climb. *"Are you through".... when in sink. *GA More seriously, voice chips are cheap, and it would be quite easy for vario designers to put quantiative informaton in voice form. For example, when thermaling, the pointer and tone are good for the fast vario, since that information comes quickly and the actual number is less important. But the averager could report the number ("3.2 knots....3.4 knots...") every 20 seconds or so. The averager is a reading where the actual number matters. Then you'd never have to look at the panel! Similarly, glide information is quantitative, so a good candiate for voice chip. "263 feet over Mc 3....242 feet over Mc 3....152 over Mc 3..." every 30 seconds or so. Safety warnings are much better with voice than with tones. "Lower Gear! .... Lower Gear!" is so much better than the famous "What are you guys calling me on the radio about? I can't hear you there's some stupid buzzer going off in here!" The ClearNav has implemented this for airspace. A lovely voice comes on and says "airspace, airspace". I've been bugging them to add the above; maybe if others do so as well they'll do it. (I bug them about a lot of stuff!) John Cochrane |
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On May 17, 4:18*pm, John Cochrane
wrote: On May 17, 3:55*pm, glider wrote: If Hallmark can make a Birthday card talk, why can't we have a talking vario? Meg Ryan voice from Harry met Sally. *"Yes, yes, YES".... for climb. *"Are you through".... when in sink. *GA More seriously, voice chips are cheap, and it would be quite easy for vario designers to put quantiative informaton in voice form. For example, when thermaling, the pointer and tone are good for the fast vario, since that information comes quickly and the actual number is less important. But the averager could report the number ("3.2 knots....3.4 knots...") every 20 seconds or so. The averager is a reading where the actual number matters. Then you'd never have to look at the panel! Similarly, glide information is quantitative, so a good candiate for voice chip. "263 feet over Mc 3....242 feet over Mc 3....152 over Mc 3..." every 30 seconds or so. Safety warnings are much better with voice than with tones. "Lower Gear! .... Lower Gear!" is so much better than the famous "What are you guys calling me on the radio about? I can't hear you there's some stupid buzzer going off in here!" The ClearNav has implemented this for airspace. A lovely voice comes on and says "airspace, airspace". I've been bugging them to add the above; maybe if others do so as well they'll do it. (I bug them about a lot of stuff!) John Cochrane SeeYou and Winpilot have had audible alerts for Airspace (and traffic) for several years. Darryl |
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Careful what you ask for... you might get it. Does anyone remember
"Your door is ajar...". I would like nothing less than to hear "300 feet under final glide...340 feet under final glide...410 feet under final glide..." Matt |
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On 2010/05/18 09:21 AM, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
Careful what you ask for... you might get it. Does anyone remember "Your door is ajar...". I would like nothing less than to hear "300 feet under final glide...340 feet under final glide...410 feet under final glide..." Matt Maybe we could record Brian Loader going "Oh-dear, oh-dear" --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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On May 18, 2:21*am, "Matt Herron Jr." wrote:
Careful what you ask for... you might get it. *Does anyone remember "Your door is ajar...". *I would like nothing less than to hear "300 feet under final glide...340 feet under final glide...410 feet under final glide..." Matt Now you're talking! At 500 feet, using the approprate terrain model to discover quarry and forest below, the voice chip changes to "Oh Sh*#&" saving you the trouble of exclaiming every pilot's last words. John Cochrane |
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ClearNav designers:
Please continue to ignore Cochrane's idea for numeric data by voice. Devices that do that are horridly annoying. It does not work; voice is painfully slow compared to a glance to the panel and it is disruptive to thinking as the information arrives at the convenience of the machine rather than when the pilot wishes to receive it. Voice is a good idea only as a brief alert to something important that the pilot should be advised of that he might not know. Good application is: AIRSPACE stated exactly once and then not again for the same airspace segment for say 5 minutes. It only takes once to make the pilot aware of the issue so that he can monitor it. Similarly LANDING GEAR stated exactly once please. Another applications for voice would be below 2000 feet near an airport CTAF ONE TWENTY TWO POINT FIVE ZERO. Or perhaps a voice battery warning BATTERY ELEVEN POINT FIVE stated once until sometime later BATTERY ELEVEN POINT THREE. When below 300 feet AGL and below a threshold airspeed the computer might warn AIRSPEED. |
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In article Steve Koerner writes:
ClearNav designers: Please continue to ignore Cochrane's idea for numeric data by voice. Devices that do that are horridly annoying. It does not work; voice is painfully slow compared to a glance to the panel and it is disruptive to thinking as the information arrives at the convenience of the machine rather than when the pilot wishes to receive it. I would agree for many bits of information, especially those that are known and expected. Unfortunately, it is hard to tell which is unexpected. Even so, expected messages seem to be used in the big iron; from what I understand, voices announce altitudes above ground during final approach. They must have thought about the best approach for safety, and know something about it. Voice is a good idea only as a brief alert to something important that the pilot should be advised of that he might not know. Good application is: AIRSPACE stated exactly once and then not again for the same airspace segment for say 5 minutes. It only takes once to make the pilot aware of the issue so that he can monitor it. I disagree. If you don't want to be explaining it to the feds, you might want to have a second (third, etc.) warning of something you didn't hear because of other distractions. Similarly LANDING GEAR stated exactly once please. It should state what needs to be done, and repeat it regularly until done. If busy, stressed, or otherwise distracted, one may need all the help available. These alerts are most useful when other problems may be causing distractions, and hopefully not needed when all is going well. Another applications for voice would be below 2000 feet near an airport CTAF ONE TWENTY TWO POINT FIVE ZERO. Or perhaps a voice battery warning BATTERY ELEVEN POINT FIVE stated once until sometime later BATTERY ELEVEN POINT THREE. When below 300 feet AGL and below a threshold airspeed the computer might warn AIRSPEED. Yes, but it needs to be clear that it is LOW AIRSPEED, PUSH NOSE DOWN. Just saying AIRSPEED leaves the pilot to figure out why it said it, and what to do. Alan |
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On May 18, 10:06*pm, Steve Koerner wrote:
ClearNav designers: Please continue to ignore Cochrane's idea for numeric data by voice. Devices that do that are horridly annoying. *It does not work; voice is painfully slow compared to a glance to the panel and it is disruptive to thinking as the information arrives at the convenience of the machine rather than when the pilot wishes to receive it. Well, to each his own. I don't want to "glance at the panel" any more than absolutely necessary. Glance means look down, refocus, look up, refocus. I want to look OUT especially in a gaggle, but I want to know my average quite often; at least once every turn or two. And hearing an averager say "4 knots" or "4 up" every 20 seconds wouldn't bother me. But surely if this comes to pass there will be a checkbox to turn it on and off or a volume control, so there is no point to arguing about it if you don't like it John Cochrane |
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