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"Greg Hopp" wrote in message m... Quoting from the installation instructions: "Installation of this heater is a minor alteration and does not require a Form 337 or STC , in accordace with FAR Part 43 Appendix B. It does not require an A&P to install it, but the installation should be inspected and signed off by an A&P..." Partner and I interpreted this to mean an A&P signoff was NOT required, just recommended. Is my Reiff sump heater installation illegal without the A&P signoff? The above text says that you don't need an IA to prepare a 337. You need an log book entry on any maintenance or alteration. Unless it's covered in the preventive maintenance exceptions that has to be an A&P. |
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Ron Rosenfeld wrote in message . ..
On 9 Dec 2003 12:28:37 -0800, (hlongworth) wrote: (the Tanis heater came with the old engine could not be reused) I'm surprised at that. My Tanis system consists of a heated oil screen (I can't recall if it's the pressure or suction screen), and heated intake bolts (one per cylinder). And I've had no problem moving it when I had an overhaul/exchange engine. Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) Ron, We had no ideas how old it was. Our A&P tried to remove it but the components fell apart. Not sure whether it was still in working condition in the first place (we bought our Cardinal last Spring). |
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message ...
Is my Reiff sump heater installation illegal without the A&P signoff? The above text says that you don't need an IA to prepare a 337. You need an log book entry on any maintenance or alteration. Unless it's covered in the preventive maintenance exceptions that has to be an A&P. Thanks Ron. I went back to my partner and he looked through the manual that came with our preheater and buried somewhere in there is text that states and A&P is not required to do the installation, just the signoff. Since the bird went into the shop this afternoon for a possible rebuilt carb., we will have the proper notation made. Appreciate setting me straight. Greg H. Cols, OH. |
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Joe Young wrote: Which begs the question why does someone **** away $150+ on a heater which doesn't require a 337 or an STC when you can get the same thing for $35. Some of us "**** away" $150+ to keep our birds legal. The Reiff heaters have a PMA and are FAA approved which means they can legally be installed on a certified aircraft. A glue on heater that goes on your oil pan is not installed. That Reiff says that they have a PMA is hysterical. And exactly what does FAA approved mean? Thay have no STC, without that there is no FAA approval. They don't have one because one isn't necessary. Their heater and the one I got from Tractor Supply are identical. |
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Greg Hopp wrote: Is there something legal and similar that costs $35? Or are you referring to fabricating a heater using A/C duct and a blower? $35 won't buy you much in terms of a space heater. I can't see how that would be as efficient in warming the oil as putting 125 deg heating strips directly on the oil sump? That's exactly what I do. I started with one glue on pad. In the unheated hangar I was in at the time it didn't get my oil warm enough. So I put a second one on next to the first. Now, with a Kennon nose mitten on, the oil gets to and stays at 100F. Each CHT and EGT gets to and stays at 80F. So for $35 for each pad I laugh at the fools who spend $150+ for the exact same thing because Reiff, Tanis, etc put "FAA approved" on the box. It apparently never occurs to anybody that the words "FAA Approved" mean exactly nothing. What a bunch of lemmings. |
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"Newps" wrote in message news:0PwCb.36817$8y1.157775@attbi_s52... That's exactly what I do. I started with one glue on pad. In the unheated hangar I was in at the time it didn't get my oil warm enough. So I put a second one on next to the first. Now, with a Kennon nose mitten on, the oil gets to and stays at 100F. Each CHT and EGT gets to and stays at 80F. So for $35 for each pad I laugh at the fools who spend $150+ for the exact same thing because Reiff, Tanis, etc put "FAA approved" on the box. It apparently never occurs to anybody that the words "FAA Approved" mean exactly nothing. What a bunch of lemmings. I truly hope you are never ramp checked or worse yet have an accident where the insurance company will not payoff because the aircraft is not airworthy. Tractor parts are simply not legal on certified aircraft. Risking the value of your aircraft for a few dollars seems to be foolish at a minimum. Lemmings indeed......... |
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"Newps" wrote in message
I started with one glue on pad. In the unheated hangar I was in at the time it didn't get my oil warm enough. So I put a second one on next to the first. Now, with a Kennon nose mitten on, the oil gets to and stays at 100F. Each CHT and EGT gets to and stays at 80F. So for $35 for each pad I laugh at the fools who spend $150+ for the exact same thing I truly hope you are never ramp checked or worse yet have an accident where the insurance company will not payoff because the aircraft is not airworthy. Tractor parts are simply not legal on certified aircraft. Besides, why would you go to the expense of buying the Kennon nose mitten (not cheap by the looks of it) and then skimp on the measly $75 you saved for an unapproved sump heater? I've got my logbook entry and A&P signoff on the installation (thanks to this thread!) and don't feel like a lemming at all. Best, Greg |
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Joe Young wrote: "Newps" wrote in message news:0PwCb.36817$8y1.157775@attbi_s52... That's exactly what I do. I started with one glue on pad. In the unheated hangar I was in at the time it didn't get my oil warm enough. So I put a second one on next to the first. Now, with a Kennon nose mitten on, the oil gets to and stays at 100F. Each CHT and EGT gets to and stays at 80F. So for $35 for each pad I laugh at the fools who spend $150+ for the exact same thing because Reiff, Tanis, etc put "FAA approved" on the box. It apparently never occurs to anybody that the words "FAA Approved" mean exactly nothing. What a bunch of lemmings. I truly hope you are never ramp checked or worse yet have an accident where the insurance company will not payoff because the aircraft is not airworthy. Tractor parts are simply not legal on certified aircraft. Risking the value of your aircraft for a few dollars seems to be foolish at a minimum. Lemmings indeed......... Since a glue on oil pan heater is not considered to be "installed" there are no airworthiness issues. There's nothing to hide from the FAA, this is the way it is done in cold climates. In fact the FAA is fully aware, our local FSDO is the one who said to make sure you route the cord away from the throttle cable. I bring my cord up to the oil door on my 182, others run it down to the cowl flap. |
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